[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

As a side note I really really wish we had had David instead of Ed. We wouldn't be in the shower of **** trying to paddle out of it that way as I have no doubt he would have been elected.

Pretty much everyone I know has said the same thing. It all went wrong when they chose the wrong brother and they are still choosing the wrong people to lead.

[Tom4784]

The tories have been in power for far too long and they've done a piss poor job of it. If people are silly enough to vote them in again at the next election then I'll lose what little faith I have in politics and the public.

Corbyn is something different and that's what we need at the moment. We need something completely opposite to the mediocre downpour of **** that has been the Tory's reign.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The tories have been in power for far too long and they've done a piss poor job of it. If people are silly enough to vote them in again at the next election then I'll lose what little faith I have in politics and the public.

Before the most recent election, they only hit the unemployed and disabled...which noone gave a crap about as...it didn't affect them.

Now..they are going after working people on low wages, which make up a hell of a lot of the country.

I hope that this is reflected in the voting. I don't think it will be :S

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Before the most recent election, they only hit the unemployed and disabled...which noone gave a crap about as...it didn't affect them.

Now..they are going after working people on low wages, which make up a hell of a lot of the country.

I hope that this is reflected in the voting. I don't think it will be :S

The problem is that the conservatives come across as capable and right now Labour don't. I can't see how someone who says they will never press the nuclear button can ever be PM. That just isn't something you tell those who might attack your country. It would be lovely in a fantasy world but Jeremy's ideal is not the world we actually live it.

[Shaun]

David was basically Tony Blair II and that can be said of both Miliband and Cameron.

[James]

I think the problem Labour have got, and this leadership challenge has shown, is that there are people in the party that have completely different politics to each other - they shouldn't really be in the same party.

David Milliband etc. and most of the MPs -especially the ones that were elected during the Blair era - are Social Democrats, whereas Corbyn and his allies are actual Socialists.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by James

I think the problem Labour have got, and this leadership challenge has shown, is that there are people in the party that have completely different politics to each other - they shouldn't really be in the same party.

David Milliband etc. and most of the MPs -especially the ones that were elected during the Blair era - are Social Democrats, whereas Corbyn and his allies are actual Socialists.

I think you are right but hasn't labour always been a bit of a social Democrat and socialist left mix? I think from an electoral point of view the problem is that that they are veering too far to the left for many voters.

[James]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think you are right but hasn't labour always been a bit of a social Democrat and socialist left mix? I think from an electoral point of view the problem is that that they are veering too far to the left for many voters.

Yeah, but I'd say in that last twenty years or so, the socialist left have become quite small in number amongst Labour MPs - hence the 80% MPs no-confidence vote.

It was a strange set of circumstance that made Corbyn leader: Ed Milliband's idea of letting people pay Ł3 to vote in a leadership election (which has led to entryism) and also Labour MPs lending Corbyn a nomination for leader to widen the debate, thinking he had no chance of winning. Now they're stuck with him.

The public don't know even which version of Labour they would be getting - the left wing leader or the moderate MPs.

[Vicky.]

The nuclear thing I actually agree with Corbyn on. Because...a nuclear war would surely mean the end of humanity as we know it. It is no good us all having weapons strong enough to wipe out the ****ing world when we all know we can't use them? If someone launched a nuke our way...we are ****ed. Whether we have our own to launch back or not.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The nuclear thing I actually agree with Corbyn on. Because...a nuclear war would surely mean the end of humanity as we know it. It is no good us all having weapons strong enough to wipe out the ****ing world when we all know we can't use them? If someone launched a nuke our way...we are ****ed. Whether we have our own to launch back or not.

I don't think it's the actual using of them but declaring he would never use them that is the problem.

Countries like North Korea don't seem all that reasonable and having a deterrent would at least make them think twice. The arms race is stupid but all the time the other guy has one you have to at least maintain the mystery that you might shoot back if he tries anything surely? Otherwise we'll all be following Kim jong round with our notebooks and laughing at his jokes!

[Vicky.]

However from what I know (and this may not be entirely accurate) he also holds the view that shoot to kill is wrong in all circumstances, which is pretty ****ed up. For example, if he was faced with a terrorist about to set off a bomb, he wouldn't give the kill order? There is being a pacifist and being outright daft. This is the second IMO

[James]

I randomly came across this Tweet about Ed Balls on Strictly, from a Corbyn supporter earlier which I think shows the divide, and how much they dislike each other.

I know it's only Twitter but I can't really imagine someone in any other party saying that about an important figure from their own party. Ed Balls was a Brownite, not even a Blairist, and not that right-wing.

[bots]

As a right leaning thinker anyway, I wouldn't be voting for labour. However, I haven't voted at a GE for years. With Corbyn at the helm of labour, you can be sure I will be voting Conservative and making my vote count. There is no way I would allow someone like Corbyn in charge of the country if I could do something about it. I'm sure I am not alone in my position. That's what labour now have to deal with.

[Johnnyuk123]

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