[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you heard of Aleppo?

That's the issue though isnt it Kizzy? For every 27 year old claiming to be 17 we take from Calais there is one less space for a child in a camp in Syria. I have no problem with vulnerable children being taken from Calais or people who have family here but this isn't happening in some cases.

[Cherie]

the avatar changes

Oh bit weird they are all back, Johnny was Norma for a bit

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Cherie

the avatar changes

Oh bit weird they are all back, Johnny was Norma for a bit

You got the failed website load where all the images move around tibb then? lol I think it's a bug on here.
If i was gonna be a Norma Cherie it would be Norma Bates!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

You got the failed website load where all the images move around tibb then? lol I think it's a bug on here.
If i was gonna be a Norma Cherie it would be Norma Bates!

There's a lot on here who associate you with Norma's son - Master Bates.

[Johnnyuk123]

Sunday paper story on the calais child migrants crisis...

Carer discovers her 12yr old refugee is a 21yr old Jihadi.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/203037...ar-old-jihadi/

[joeysteele]

Really Kirk you are totally again distorting my post and words to suit yourself, as you have done before.
Even having your posts removed in the past that have done that too.
Although none ever being reported by myself,it just being done.

All I expressed is my view,my feelings, what else should I express and not in a nasty fashion either like you and others have done towards me.

You put people down in a subtle way and do get at them, even when they have attempted to close the issue,as I tried to.
I told you last night I was 'not' going to play your games and that I had sent my post to the mods myself.
Yet here today again, you continue to badger me on this issue.

You have near totally distorted my words and post.
I am not going to give you the satisfaction of a further breakdown as to how you have done that, as doing so would only lead to you again coming back at me again, with likely the handclapping from your following.

However one thing I have to point out,you state what I said could do things for my popularity.
You used the term 'your popularity' directly to me personally,that was a singular jibe at me.
I care not a jot about popularity, I do nothing on here to set myself up as better than anyone else or attract anyone else.
I am no better or worse than anyone else but I am just as good as anyone else.

I am simply me, not in the face of people constantly on or off here.just a member expressing his thoughts, his feelings and how I would like the World to be.
I was not even just talking about England either, I was talking about the World and the whole human race.

You however choose to get at me again,( after I made a direct response only to jet),yes to me again, and that is what you do Kirk, and have for some time now.
Also just for your information, as jet is a friend of mine on tibb,I doubt he would mind if I inform you, that jet is male not female.

I have submitted my original post to the mods myself,my response to what jet said and in which I explained to jet my own thoughts and feelings only.
You and others certainly have every right to disagree with what I say but not to constantly choose my posts to keep responding to and get at what I say,analysing every word and distorting what I say too, to maybe try to force further responses back to you again from me, which would then allow you to open the door to more of your nit picking and twisting more words said.
Making unfair criticisms in the process too towards me as to what your distortion of what I said.

In fact it is a mystery to me why you would even in any way identify yourself in the first place as to any thing you perceive to be negative in my post,which I deny totally that there is, as it was only my own personal view and feelings on an ongoing tragedy in the World.
I no way ever mentioned anyone singularly, either 'on' or even 'off' TIBB actually.
I also now too, to avoid problems for myself, rarely 'initially' if ever, respond to you directly on your posts anyway either unlike often yourself towards mine.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Really Kirk you are totally again distorting my post and words to suit yourself, as you have done before.
Even having your posts removed in the past that have done that too.
Although none ever being reported by myself,it just being done.

All I expressed is my view,my feelings, what else should I express and not in a nasty fashion either like you and others have done towards me.

You put people down in a subtle way and do get at them, even when they have attempted to close the issue,as I tried to.
I told you last night I was 'not' going to play your games and that I had sent my post to the mods myself.
Yet here today again, you continue to badger me on this issue.

You have near totally distorted my words and post.
I am not going to give you the satisfaction of a further breakdown as to how you have done that, as doing so would only lead to you again coming back at me again, with likely the handclapping from your following.

However one thing I have to point out,you state what I said could do things for my popularity.
You used the term 'your popularity' directly to me personally,that was a singular jibe at me.
I care not a jot about popularity, I do nothing on here to set myself up as better than anyone else or attract anyone else.
I am no better or worse than anyone else but I am just as good as anyone else.

I am simply me, not in the face of people constantly on or off here.just a member expressing his thoughts, his feelings and how I would like the World to be.
I was not even just talking about England either, I was talking about the World and the whole human race.

You however choose to get at me again,( after I made a direct response only to jet),yes to me again, and that is what you do Kirk, and have for some time now.
Also just for your information, as jet is a friend of mine on tibb,I doubt he would mind if I inform you, that jet is male not female.

I have submitted my original post to the mods myself,my response to what jet said and in which I explained to jet my own thoughts and feelings only.
You and others certainly have every right to disagree with what I say but not to constantly choose my posts to keep responding to and get at what I say,analysing every word and distorting what I say too, to maybe try to force further responses back to you again from me, which would then allow you to open the door to more of your nit picking and twisting more words said.
Making unfair criticisms in the process too towards me as to what your distortion of what I said.

In fact it is a mystery to me why you would even in any way identify yourself in the first place as to any thing you perceive to be negative in my post,which I deny totally that there is, as it was only my own personal view and feelings on an ongoing tragedy in the World.
I no way ever mentioned anyone singularly, either 'on' or even 'off' TIBB actually.

Joey - I responded to your post to explain just why I - and others - took umbrage at to what we perceived you to be saying in it.

I was not, and am not 'badgering' you.

Nor have I been 'nasty' in my exchanges with you - nor has any other member as far as I can honestly see.

I have already explained in detail my 'popularity' comments in detail, and at length in my response to Ammi, so - again - I do not understand your complaints about this.

I have had perfectly innocuous posts removed Joey as well - for reasons only known to the Mods, but that issue has absolutely nothing to do with this.

I really feel a sense with you Joey, that you are making a mountain out of a molehill and imagining injury where there is none.

This is my last word on this because it is frankly futile to continue.

Incidentally, I was among the very first to welcome you back onto the forum.

[arista]

No fella
its your problem - you let Them stay to long there.

[Kizzy]

No chance Ammi that won't happen the NIMBYs are conditioned, practically institutionalised, that is what Britain feels like to me these days.. some cold hard sanatorium :/
I recommend a film, 'I, Daniel Blake' about the state of the nation...something has to change, we need an attitudinal shift, and it's not left or right it's deeper than that something needs to change at a base level.
Too many are subscribing to a meritocracy and that goes against any 'moral compass' so many profess to live by.

[arista]

This Morning
many are now getting in long lines
for Children, Adults and Unwell.

http://news.sky.com/story/live-mass-...ungle-10630442

Massive amount of Police are there
of course.

Also tonight on BBC1 Panorama
M&S clothes
are being made in Turkey
by Syria children?

[Kizzy]

A live link

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...fugees-migrant

[Kizzy]

Two Afghan men who had spent several months in the squalid Calais camp, and years travelling, had now decided to go home to Jalalabad. They were awake before dawn and carrying the few possessions they had to register at the vast hanger. France has temporarily increased the aid to people wanting to make the journey home to their countries. Muhammad, 26, said: “I’ve tried. I’ve taken so many risks trying to get on the back of lorries. Better to die in my own country than here under a truck.”


No words ...

[kirklancaster]

I do not want to go into detail with this response because it hardly seems fair to Joey who is absent.

However, I just need to try to explain certain matters.

I have no problem with Joey as a member or as a person, and though we are on opposite sides of the political coin, I do not have a problem with a lot of his posts either.

It was just this one specific post which - immediately upon reading - I took exception to, because of my perception of what Joey was saying in it.

It is significant that another member independently perceived the post in much the same way that I did.

However, at the time I posted my first response, I did not even try to rationalise just WHY I perceived Joey's post in the way which I had.

It was not until Joey's accusatory response that I then analysed just what it was in his original post which caused me to take umbrage.

Thus, the more detailed and analytical response.

The best way, I can perhaps illustrate what I mean, is to use an analogy:

You are given an essay and asked for your opinions upon it.

You you do so.

THEN - you are asked to EXPLAIN the reasons just why you formed those opinions.

Anyway, thank you JET, it is good to see you on somewhere other than just the CBB and BB threads, but I must assure you that it was Joey's post which I was 'jabbing' at - not Joey.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I do not want to go into detail with this response because it hardly seems fair to Joey who is absent.

However, I just need to try to explain certain matters.

I have no problem with Joey as a member or as a person, and though we are on opposite sides of the political coin, I do not have a problem with a lot of his posts either.

It was just this one specific post which - immediately upon reading - I took exception to, because of my perception of what Joey was saying in it.

It is significant that another member independently perceived the post in much the same way that I did.

However, at the time I posted my first response, I did not even try to rationalise just WHY I perceived Joey's post in the way which I had.

It was not until Joey's accusatory response that I then analysed just what it was in his original post which caused me to take umbrage.

Thus, the more detailed and analytical response.

The best way, I can perhaps illustrate what I mean, is to use an analogy:

You are given an essay and asked for your opinions upon it.

You you do so.

THEN - you are asked to EXPLAIN the reasons just why you formed those opinions.

Anyway, thank you JET, it is good to see you on somewhere other than just the CBB and BB threads, but I must assure you that it was Joey's post which I was 'jabbing' at - not Joey.

..I think Kirk, it is all about perspectives and you took something from Joey's post that wasn't intended in the writing of it.../that happens to all of us doesn't it on occasions...but it was a perspective that I didn't personally have and didn't see what you saw/hence my post also because when something doesn't seem fair and feels personal in some content.../I don't have any perspective other than that and did feel unfair against Joey....you know I will always speak about stuff like that otherwise I wouldn't be being true to myself....that wasn't an attack against you in doing so either, I think you know that...but it is good..(and what I've always said, to step back a bit as well and why it's good to have Jet's take on it as an 'observer' and non participant...)...anyway enough..from me anyway, there is enough on the topic to occupy thoughts and if you and Joey felt that you wanted to discuss more, maybe in private..?.../but that's completely up to you two...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Two Afghan men who had spent several months in the squalid Calais camp, and years travelling, had now decided to go home to Jalalabad. They were awake before dawn and carrying the few possessions they had to register at the vast hanger. France has temporarily increased the aid to people wanting to make the journey home to their countries. Muhammad, 26, said: “I’ve tried. I’ve taken so many risks trying to get on the back of lorries. Better to die in my own country than here under a truck.”


No words ...

Why not claim asylum in France though?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why not claim asylum in France though?

How would I know? Maybe it isn't an option, I'm not a French official.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How would I know? Maybe it isn't an option, I'm not a French official.

No, and you are not exactly sherlock Holmes neither...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How would I know? Maybe it isn't an option, I'm not a French official.

Isn't being at risk of death in your own country one of the main reasons people claim asylum? Of course it's an option if it's true

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why not claim asylum in France though?

Benefits are'nt as good over there

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Benefits are'nt as good over there

So better to die then obv.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So better to die then obv.

No,Better to get asylum in France or any other safe country they've been through.Unless of course they're not refugees at all.Why do you think Britain is such an attractive prospect?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Two Afghan men who had spent several months in the squalid Calais camp, and years travelling, had now decided to go home to Jalalabad. They were awake before dawn and carrying the few possessions they had to register at the vast hanger. France has temporarily increased the aid to people wanting to make the journey home to their countries. Muhammad, 26, said: “I’ve tried. I’ve taken so many risks trying to get on the back of lorries. Better to die in my own country than here under a truck.”


No words ...

Yes he is a migrant who is trying t ojump the queue ahead of people who try legitimately to come to the uk and that is if he is telling the truth.

there, you can have these words for free

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes he is a migrant who is trying t ojump the queue ahead of people who try legitimately to come to the uk and that is if he is telling the truth.

there, you can have these words for free

[Cherie]

Not enough buses to take everyone away today and some numbers are now awol

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not enough buses to take everyone away today and some numbers are now awol