[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by rk3388

It's not about Donald vs Hillary now - It's about making A CHANGE.
Something needs to be done in this HORRIBLE US Electoral system - and being heard is how we are going to prevent Trump from destroying the country.

The guy has not even taken office yet and you write about him 'Destroying the country'?

Wait awhile - Trump might just surprise you.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

In any Democracy Ammi, surely ALL people have a 'Voice' through the Ballot Box?

I'm sorry, but to me, this is no different to the thousands of idiots who run riot through our town centres every so often disrupting other citizens lives and creating unnecessary work for the police and civic authorities, and all because their football team has lost.

...democracy has had it's voice through the ballot box Kirk and that voice has been given 4 years in it's apparent 'protest vote' for many, whatever percentage but whatever the reasons for that democracy vote, it has a very generous 4 years anyway..I think it would be extremely intolerant and extremely ironic to not have the protest against the protest, have a few short days/ a small amount of time to heal and to voice in this peaceful way...(and if there is violence and rioting, that should swiftly and harshly dealt with..)...yes it may be disruptive, but whichever which way the result..it was always going to be strongly felt and was always going to disrupt...it's been said so many times, let's see what happens with Trump as president well let let's also see what happens with this protest because atm there are no riots, so lets not assume there will be..if there are then they have to be dealt with but the worst thing and the bigger 'build up' thing so we're often told is to try to stifle a voice that needs it's feelings heard...

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

Republicans would be doing the exact same thing if Hilary got in and would get violent with it as well. Let's not kid ourselves

Don't remember that happening the two times Obama won.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...democracy has had it's voice through the ballot box Kirk and that voice has been given 4 years in it's apparent 'protest vote' for many, whatever percentage but whatever the reasons for that democracy vote, it has a very generous 4 years anyway..I think it would be extremely intolerant and extremely ironic to not have the protest against the protest, have a few short days/ a small amount of time to heal and to voice in this peaceful way...(and if there is violence and rioting, that should swiftly and harshly dealt with..)...yes it may be disruptive, but whichever which way the result..it was always going to be strongly felt and was always going to disrupt...it's been said so many times, let's see what happens with Trump as president well let let's also see what happens with this protest because atm there are no riots, so lets not assume there will be..if there are then they have to be dealt with but the worst thing and the bigger 'build up' thing so we're often told is to try to stifle a voice that needs it's feelings heard...

But what is this actually going to achieve? Trump still will be president.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Don't remember that happening the two years Obama won.

..I just think it's hard armand to compare other election results because no other two candidates have ever created so much controversy in both being so crazily unsuitable for the job...it's been unique in its unbelievable factor for a very long while now.../which I don't recall happening before with 'the two best'...being equally as awful in different ways...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

But what is this actually going to achieve? Trump still will be president.

..things don't always need to achieve but I think the worst thing is to say, just get over it, type thing and move on and leave those wounds left all open..the best healing is to let them have their voices so long as it stays peaceful and it shouldn't be pre-empted that it won't until that changes and unless it does...things like open borders/controlled borders etc have been a big thing for some votes in both this and Brexit so we're often told and opinions on that feeling that they can't voice, in fear of being thought of as racist/intolerant...so that creating a stifling that has led to frustration and the building of unrest/negativity...well it's the same principle here and hard to understand why it's objected to or thought wrong because if it is a path forward and is a change etc that is needed...then the starting point should be surely to allow voices to be heard...let them speak, let them release and let them move on and forward.../don't let it fester and build in strength...

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I just think it's hard armand to compare other election results because no other two candidates have ever created so much controversy in both being so crazily unsuitable for the job...it's been unique in its unbelievable factor for a very long while now.../which I don't recall happening before with 'the two best'...being equally as awful in different ways...

I feel like trumps win was a bit unexpected for both sides while Hillary's camp probably thought they had it in the bag, explaining the meltdowns. Maybe a few trump supporters would of protested but I can't imagine it would've been to this scale.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by rk3388

I fear for whoever is tolerant of Trump and many of his loony supporters
I for one am not going to be tolerant for islamophobia, Shutting out Syrian refugees (I'm so proud of Canada for letting so many in with very little problems), sucking the oil sands dry while warming the GLOBE'S climate, and allowing the rich to get richer while the poor people get poorer.

Given the limited choice, voting for the lesser or the two evils doesn't make those that voted for him 'loony'. Arrogant statement.

Syrian refugees should do what they are supposed to do and go to the first safe country, not make a beeline for countries like America and Britain. Genuine refugees' priority would be safety not the economy.

[arista]

i was not going to post this
as the Fecking Mirror is Negative

........ Is It Not AMMI

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..things don't always need to achieve but I think the worst thing is to say, just get over it, type thing and move on and leave those wounds left all open..the best healing is to let them have their voices so long as it stays peaceful and it shouldn't be pre-empted that it won't until that changes and unless it does...things like open borders/controlled borders etc have been a big thing for some votes in both this and Brexit so we're often told and opinions on that feeling that they can't voice, in fear of being thought of as racist/intolerant...so that creating a stifling that has led to frustration and the building of unrest/negativity...well it's the same principle here and hard to understand why it's objected to or thought wrong because if it is a path forward and is a change etc that is needed...then the starting point should be surely to allow voices to be heard...let them speak, let them release and let them move on and forward.../don't let it fester and build in strength...

To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

I feel like trumps win was a bit unexpected for both sides while Hillary's camp probably thought they had it in the bag, explaining the meltdowns. Maybe a few trump supporters would of protested but I can't imagine it would've been to this scale.

...we don't know that I guess and never will so I just can't say but it's definitely been an 'extremes' of support with this as in not much middle ground to be had../either all one way or the other so there has been much build up of emotions all fuelled by the old politic tricks as well in the last few weeks..and if that kind of build up and the strength of thoughts with it, I just think the most 'pointless' is to try to quash protest voices because we all know, it doesn't work like that, that people 'move on'...they feel the need for their voices to be heard for a small time to enable them to move on/it's part of the healing for some and the coming to terms with etc...and it's really only for a very short time that these protests generally happen in 'the aftermath' compared to the 4yr Trump reign the USA will have../it seems selfish and intolerant and lacking of understanding to deny that or oppose it...

[arista]

Our PM is ready to talk with Trump
after Jan/20th/ 2017

She can Fly out to the White House
and her team can stay down the road at the NEW
Trump Tower Hotel


Utter Bliss

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.

When it actually comes down to it Armand - You have hit the nail squarely on the head.

[arista]

Why is Ammi so angry
is it because kids in the school room
are scared.

Tell Em
Arista will send them to a
Trump Resort Holiday / Education

[arista]

Why are posts going up Twice?

I used to Delete them
but I do not know if a Staff member
is doing the same.

Ben did that to me when he was staff

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

To me protests should be about being heard when the governments not listening, not just for the sake of it. These people have been given a chance to be heard through their ballets and unfortunately they lost. To me protests like this are just a slap in the face to the whole election process. Its basically throwing your toys out the pram and saying your opinion is more important, and things should still go your way even though the country has already spoken.

..I don't agree..I don't know what the percentages were with Trump's win but with Brexit for instance..(comparing as it's another controversial type voting situation..)...it was obviously quite split to almost 50/50...and I do feel that a 'coming together' has to happen in these things and a moving forward together etc because there is no choice and if something is a 'fail' then it will be a fail for everyone...but one of the things I've heard and absorbed through both of these things is a voice of 'well those voices should have been listened to and not felt stifled' and s it would be wrong to stifle these ones because that will only widen wounds...





..just a by the by and a little off topic...I recall when my sons' were in 6th form/uni etc there were often protests about this and that..and really because those establishments will not bow to demands as it were of students..(in many things..)...the students knew really of the pointlessness and that 'it wouldn't achieve' but they still in things they had strong feelings about, felt the need to be heard in protest.../it just doesn't always have achieve but it's best to allow it to communicate..(in a non violent way..)...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Why is Ammi so angry
is it because kids in the school room
are scared.

Tell Em
Arista will send them to a
Trump Resort Holiday / Education

...we need a Father Christmas this year because the guy who usually does, isn't able to do it this time...you want the job Arista, can you come..?..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

i was not going to post this
as the Fecking Mirror is Negative

........ Is It Not AMMI

..yeah I have to say that the media will probably not be helping but I guess it's more the media in the USA that's important and there's no point in them relating a 'slant' against Trump and a lack of support etc../discontent in people while greatly contributing to that themselves and feeding it...

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Aren't these people supposed to be the tolerant ones? #lovetrumpshate is tongue in cheek I guess.

Protesting and intolerance do not go hand in hand with each other, and this is a really dangerous attitude I've seen develop of late. In a democracy (which people often like to reiterate), you are entitled by rights to freedom of assembly and to protest about issues you care about. These do not recede just because an election has taken place, people are allowed to be critical of the result, it is irrelevant whether or not it will change anything - they are entitled to make their voice heard.

You will often find people who break the law in any kind of protest and that's in part both because some people will always spoil it for everyone else and that police tactics such as kettling will make it inevitable. But that doesn't mean it applies to everyone who protests, the vast majority are tolerant and are just exercising their democratic right. The media's treatment of Trump keeps being brought up so it's also worth pointing out that their depictions of protests can often be distorted so as to rubbish a cause and paint everyone involved as petty thugs. It works both ways.

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If they are to be believed Maru, and this isn't just 'Sour Grapes' - one might ask why they did not take to the streets in earnest protest about Clinton being their nominee, during all these many, many months BEFORE she lost to Trump.

I have the feeling that old Hilary was good enough for them while it seemed that she was a WINNER, and it is the DEFEAT which these precious little undemocratic dahlings cannot stomach.

Many Bernie supporters did in fact protest after it transpired how manipulative the DNC had been in securing Clinton's nomination.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I have to say that the media will probably not be helping but I guess it's more the media in the USA that's important and there's no point in them relating a 'slant' against Trump and a lack of support etc../discontent in people while greatly contributing to that themselves and feeding it...

Can you add "the left wing" Media
please.............

[Jack_]

Left wing media is an oxymoron so don't add anything Ammi

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Protesting and intolerance do not go hand in hand with each other, and this is a really dangerous attitude I've seen develop of late. In a democracy (which people often like to reiterate), you are entitled by rights to freedom of assembly and to protest about issues you care about. These do not recede just because an election has taken place, people are allowed to be critical of the result, it is irrelevant whether or not it will change anything - they are entitled to make their voice heard.

You will often find people who break the law in any kind of protest and that's in part both because some people will always spoil it for everyone else and that police tactics such as kettling will make it inevitable. But that doesn't mean it applies to everyone who protests, the vast majority are tolerant and are just exercising their democratic right. The media's treatment of Trump keeps being brought up so it's also worth pointing out that their depictions of protests can often be distorted so as to rubbish a cause and paint everyone involved as petty thugs. It works both ways.



Many Bernie supporters did in fact protest after it transpired how manipulative the DNC had been in securing Clinton's nomination.

In this case it appears to have far more to do with sour grapes than having a voice, they have just had that. Unfortunately for them more voices had a different opinion.

I really think they believe if they shout loud enough someone will hear and maybe another Ms Miller will come along and throw a spanner in the works. In their dreams! Trying it on basically!

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

In this case it appears to have far more to do with sour grapes than having a voice, they have just had that. Unfortunately for them more voices had a different opinion.

I really think they believe if they shout loud enough someone will hear and maybe another Ms Miller will come along and throw a spanner in the works. In their dreams! Trying it on basically!

And? One person's 'sour grapes' (Jesus ****ing Christ this is people's livelihoods not the X Factor) is another person's concerns about the way their lives are or are about to be governed. It is absolutely irrelevant whether or not an election has taken place, just because one side has won it doesn't mean all dissenting opinions must be silenced, because then taken to its logical conclusion what exactly is the point in having an official opposition to scrutinise policies - why not ban that and let the government have free reign as a dictatorship for the duration of the administration? That's not democracy and this really is a moronic notion that needs to be culled.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Left wing media is an oxymoron so don't add anything Ammi

Feck Off Jack


LEFT WING MEDIA
gets in my way
they are Pathetic

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Its good to get out and walk in the fresh air as long as you are not disrupting working peoples lives and livelihoods

otherwise its incredibly selfish