[Dr43%er]

I am not asking about who likes or dislikes who. Just a simple answer to a very simple question about editing.

Can editing make someone look better as well as worse than they actually are?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I am not asking about who likes or dislikes who. Just a simple answer to a very simple question about editing.

Can editing make someone look better as well as worse than they actually are?

Here is an example for you Dr43%er, then my answer.

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If the editors on CBB Jan, had birdwistled out all those comments which made certain people believe that Jo O'Meara was saying comments which may have been construed as having "racial-overtones", then, it would have been very different.

If the editors on CBB Jan, had shown more of the nicer side of Jo O'Meara and when she was dressed in day-clothes, rather than in her dressing-gown and puffing fags and behaving like we saw, it would have made a significant difference.

So, the answer to your question is (YES)

It could have made Jo O'Meara look a lot better.

This is why Jo & Danielle are getting together with their solicitors.

(Payback-Time, perhaps??)

[GiRTh]

Let me get this straight.

In you first paragraph you say th show is edited. Everybody on this forum is aware of that but what a friggin long winded wffly way of putting it. Why cant you stick to the point and be concise?

In the second paragraph you say that the racism should have been edited out. In fact you imply that it was irresponsible to show it. Why was it irreponsible? Surely we should identify racists? You, of all people, should know that.

The third paragraph is waffle. Well, most of the post is waffle to be honest.

[Mrluvaluva]

Yeah nodis, I told you before stop writing these huge epics. It pisses people off, and to be honest, most people have stopped reading them, so you are not getting any points accross. Time to move on.

[Sunny_01]

God what did I do in this lifetime to deserve such a long winded reply to my post!

You see the problem is I simply cant be bothered to reply to such a huge post, it ends up like war and peace quote wars or something similar which is what causes arguments and results in topics being locked!

[mansi]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
God what did I do in this lifetime to deserve such a long winded reply to my post!

LOLLL...he does that to just about everyone...

[Dr43%er]

Ok, nodis. So now you agree that editing can make people look better as well as worse I will move on to my next question.

Were you part of the editing crew or have access to the tapes that Endomol are refusing to hand over that show what exactly was edited?

Once again, a simple yes or no will do.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Let me get this straight.

In you first paragraph you say th show is edited. Everybody on this forum is aware of that but what a friggin long winded wffly way of putting it. Why cant you stick to the point and be concise?

In the second paragraph you say that the racism should have been edited out. In fact you imply that it was irresponsible to show it. Why was it irreponsible? Surely we should identify racists? You, of all people, should know that.

The third paragraph is waffle. Well, most of the post is waffle to be honest.

Hi GiRTh,

I stated in my first paragraph that the show was edited.

I am very aware that all of us are aware of this, as we are forum members debating CBB

However, there are many who just choose to look through the posts and not say a thing. So it is better to be consise. You are very aware GiRTh and don't hide much on your opinions. Very similar to Jade Goody. Very up-front
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Your second question, regarding the length of that post.

There was a lot to cover and as Jo & Danielle are getting ready to make a case over this, there could be big problems to come. Remember Big Brother 8 is around the corner.
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Your third question, "Why should the show have edited out words and sentances which may have been construed as having "racial-over-tones". (You said Racists! But I shall try to ignore that)

We need to be clear about this.

Endemol state quite clearly, No racism will ever be allowed on Big Brother.

They are very wealthy and also do a great job on all Big Brother & C. Big Brother past shows, before January 2007 wouldn't you agree?

However, this still doesn't answer your question!

The reason the show should have edited out these comments and sentances, is, that it was quite obvious to many thousands of the viewing public, that there was offensive remarks being said, which many viewed Racist.

If thousands of people complained. Then, was Endemol and their team of editors, unaware of this?

Did they just not realise?

Was it a (money) angle?

These types of questions could be asked.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
Yeah nodis, I told you before stop writing these huge epics. It p****s people off, and to be honest, most people have stopped reading them, so you are not getting any points accross. Time to move on.

Ignoring everything in that comment, except (Time to move on)

I think it is time to move on and expect more trouble to follow.

I would imply that, if Jo & Danielle decide to sue Endemol, that, even if they both lose, which they will. They will still bring up a lot of bad publicity for the show which tried to destroy them.

I would prefer, if all of the girl's didn't do this.

I shall explain later on.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
God what did I do in this lifetime to deserve such a long winded reply to my post!

You see the problem is I simply cant be bothered to reply to such a huge post, it ends up like war and peace quote wars or something similar which is what causes arguments and results in topics being locked!

Putting the past behind us all and concentrating on the present.

If we all stay on topic, there should be no danger of locking posts or even arguments.

I am not getting involved in any arguments anymore

Just debating the topic subject.

What other's do, is up to them.

[Dr43%er]

Simple yes or no to my question?

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Ok, nodis. So now you agree that editing can make people look better as well as worse I will move on to my next question.

Were you part of the editing crew or have access to the tapes that Endomol are refusing to hand over that show what exactly was edited?

Once again, a simple yes or no will do.

Sometimes, Dr43%er, one has to act a bit like a politician.

A simple Yes or No answer doesn't explain every part of what is said. I am sure you agree on that.
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I am not part of the editing crew.

This is very obvious, as, if I was, I wouldn't bring this up.
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I don't have access to the un-cut tapes, which Endemol have in their possession.

Just like I said above, if I had, I certainly wouldn't be bringing this up.
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What was edited out, (which is your third question?)

If I was aware of that, then, the answer to your first two questions would have to be (Yes) and both are not.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Hi GiRTh,

I stated in my first paragraph that the show was not edited.

However, there are many who just choose to look through the posts and not say a thing. So it is better to go on and on and on when noone is listening.
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Your second question, regarding the length of that post.

There was not a lot to cover and because of this I had to do a bit of in-filling with waffle about CSI. Remember Big Brother 8 is around the corner.
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Now you see what a clever piece of editing can do!!!

[Dr43%er]

So as you admit you don't know what was edited out, how can you make any claims about the editing?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Hi GiRTh,

Hello.

I stated in my first paragraph that the show was edited.

I am very aware that all of us are aware of this, as we are forum members debating CBB

However, there are many who just choose to look through the posts and not say a thing. So it is better to be consise. You are very aware GiRTh and don't hide much on your opinions. Very similar to Jade Goody. Very up-front

If I'm like Jade then you must worship and adore me. Suddenly I'm a bit scared.

Your second question, regarding the length of that post.

There was a lot to cover and as Jo & Danielle are getting ready to make a case over this, there could be big problems to come. Remember Big Brother 8 is around the corner.

Problem is you didn't cover it. In fact you never cover anything you just waffle on the same garbage over and over and over again.
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Jade Goody Knows this.

That is a fact. Wouldn't you say.
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Your third question, "Why should the show have edited out words and sentances which may have been construed as having "racial-over-tones". (You said Racists! But I shall try to ignore that)

We need to be clear about this.

Endemol state quite clearly, No racism will ever be allowed on Big Brother.

They are very wealthy and also do a great job on all Big Brother & C. Big Brother past shows, before January 2007 wouldn't you agree?

However, this still doesn't answer your question!

The reason the show should have edited out these comments and sentances, is, that it was quite obvious to many thousands of the viewing public, that there was offensive remarks being said, which many viewed Racist.

If thousands of people complained. Then, was Endemol and their team of editors, unaware of this?

Did they just not realise?

Was it a (money) angle?

These types of questions could be asked.

What a load more waffle and, as usual, you've completely failed to deal with the issue.

Let me answer it with another question that you'll no doubt avoid - If a man was making overtly sexist and racist comments should they be shown of should they be 'whistled out'? Would that man be a 'part time' sexist or racist? How do you decide who is 'part time' and who is full time? I'll be interested to hear your thoughts.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

Now you see what a clever piece of editing can do!!!

I never say "noone"

I always say "no one"

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
So as you admit you don't know what was edited out, how can you make any claims about the editing?

I don't make any claims.

I just state possibilities.

Apparently, their was meant to be some worse stuff, which was not shown, so the Newspapers say?

But, we don't believe Newspapers, do we?

So, what should I say to you now?

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I shall say, that, if you don't want anyone to make claims regarding editing. Then, why doesn't Endemol want to hand over the tapes then?

If there is nothing to hide, like I sense in your comments? Then, why the charade?

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

I shall say, that, if you don't want anyone to make claims regarding editing. Then, why doesn't Endemol want to hand over the tapes then?

If there is nothing to hide, like I sense in your comments? Then, why the charade?

I have posed this question to you before nodis. Try and find out what you said to it!

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Hello.

If I'm like Jade then you must worship and adore me. Suddenly I'm a bit scared.

Problem is you didn't cover it. In fact you never cover anything you just waffle on the same garbage over and over and over again.
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Jade Goody Knows this.

That is a fact. Wouldn't you say.
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What a load more waffle and, as usual, you've completely failed to deal with the issue.

Let me answer it with another question that you'll no doubt avoid - If a man was making overtly sexist and racist comments should they be shown of should they be 'whistled out'? Would that man be a 'part time' sexist or racist? How do you decide who is 'part time' and who is full time? I'll be interested to hear your thoughts.

Didn't cover what, GiRTh?

I can't understand that! That is what longer posts are about. More explanatory.
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Jade Goody knows what?

She knows about Eskimos. Big Brother told her in the diary room.
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I didn't say that I worship & adore you.

I didn't say that I worship & adore Jade Goody. (no need to be scared)

I was talking actually about the editing of the BB show and covering Jo, Jade & Danielle.

I am more of an angel than you think.

nodisharmony to all the housemates.

I also say that I don't wish for an investigation of Endemol and have also said previously that I look forward to Big Brother 8 and hope that there is less scrutiny and that we can all enjoy it.

If you read my posts instead of scrutinizing them in a bad light and looking for racial-over-tones, which is more about paranoia than actual fact.
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In answer to your last question GiRTh, is, that I have stated what Endemol are very clear on.

They will never allow any housemate to be racist on the Big Brother show.

It is part of the rules. (Do you say that I am wrong?)

Secondly, if the housemates started making "overtly sexist remarks", I am not aware of how the editors of Big Brother would deal with this?

I would imagine that they would use their discression and birdwistle out what they think is over the top.

But, at the same time, scandal brings in the ratings.

Remember Pete Burns & Jodi Marsh?

Hardly a relationship made in heaven?

Jo, Jade & Danielle vs Shilpa is also four people in a bad situation.
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Regarding the last question, regarding Part-Time racism or Part-Time sexism.

If somebody lost it on CBB and came out with comments that were racist on that show, then naturally, they should have been edited out.

This I have already said.

However, as there was no racism on the show, whether part-time or full-time, it doesn't apply here.

The words were only offensive, however, to many people, they did come over and were construed as having racial-over-tones.

Jade Goody said this in interviews and was aware that what she said, could sound like this and understood that part.

But, the "Sexist" part or the "Part-Time Sexist", I can't really comment on, as this doesn't apply to this topic or CBB in January.

Were you talking about a previous BB or CBB GiRTh?

All the best, nodisharmony

p/s, no need for the hostility...Let's debate this subject instead..

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG

I have posed this question to you before nodis. Try and find out what you said to it!

I haven't spotted it on this topic BAZG

[Mrluvaluva]

[i]Originally posted by nodisharmony

1. They will never allow any housemate to be racist on the Big Brother show.

It is part of the rules. (Do you say that I am wrong?)

Secondly, if the housemates started making "overtly sexist remarks", I am not aware of how the editors of Big Brother would deal with this?

I would imagine that they would use their discression and birdwistle out what they think is over the top.

2. Remember Pete Burns & Jodi Marsh?

3. However, as there was no racism on the show, whether part-time or full-time, it doesn't apply here.

4. But, the "Sexist" part or the "Part-Time Sexist", I can't really comment on, as this doesn't apply to this topic or CBB in January.

Sorry to step in her Girth. Ok nodis, let's debate the above points:

1. Many people do think comments were racist. It may not offend you or me, but it does offend people. What do you think about the time Jack was bird whistled. Did he say "****" or did he say "****"? What are your views on that?

2. You keep saying this, and I keep telling you we have all debated this several times before. What is your point?

3. I take it you mean this is your opinion. This satement you have made, again, is quite conceited.

4. Is it impossible for you to comment on anything else other than big brother? Or are you avoiding the question. Let me tell you, categorically, there is NO such thing as a "part time racist". You either are or you're not. Quite simple really.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Didn't cover what, GiRTh?

I can't understand that! That is what longer posts are about. More explanatory.
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Jade Goody knows what?

She knows about Eskimos. Big Brother told her in the diary room.
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I didn't say that I worship & adore you.

I didn't say that I worship & adore Jade Goody. (no need to be scared)

I was talking actually about the editing of the BB show and covering Jo, Jade & Danielle.

I am more of an angel than you think.

nodisharmony to all the housemates.

I also say that I don't wish for an investigation of Endemol and have also said previously that I look forward to Big Brother 8 and hope that there is less scrutiny and that we can all enjoy it.

If you read my posts instead of scrutinizing them in a bad light and looking for racial-over-tones, which is more about paranoia than actual fact.
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In answer to your last question GiRTh, is, that I have stated what Endemol are very clear on.

They will never allow any housemate to be racist on the Big Brother show.

It is part of the rules. (Do you say that I am wrong?)

Secondly, if the housemates started making "overtly sexist remarks", I am not aware of how the editors of Big Brother would deal with this?

I would imagine that they would use their discression and birdwistle out what they think is over the top.

But, at the same time, scandal brings in the ratings.

Remember Pete Burns & Jodi Marsh?

Hardly a relationship made in heaven?

Jo, Jade & Danielle vs Shilpa is also four people in a bad situation.
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Regarding the last question, regarding Part-Time racism or Part-Time sexism.

If somebody lost it on CBB and came out with comments that were racist on that show, then naturally, they should have been edited out.

This I have already said.

However, as there was no racism on the show, whether part-time or full-time, it doesn't apply here.

The words were only offensive, however, to many people, they did come over and were construed as having racial-over-tones.

Jade Goody said this in interviews and was aware that what she said, could sound like this and understood that part.

But, the "Sexist" part or the "Part-Time Sexist", I can't really comment on, as this doesn't apply to this topic or CBB in January.

Were you talking about a previous BB or CBB GiRTh?

All the best, nodisharmony

p/s, no need for the hostility...Let's debate this subject instead..

No matter how much you waffle about the point, you can't change the simple facts.
tart it up in as much dross as you want, and you do on a daily basis, it doesn't change a thing.

Jade Goody is a vile manipulative sly bully with a penchant for racial insults - as there is no such thing as a part-time racist, though you desperately need there to be in order to make sense of your fascistic little world in relation to human beings , it leaves only the plain and simple truth that if you use racist insults, you are a racist. Full stop. The fat lady has sung.

For instance, Jades *******awallah comment was racist, undeniably so, as were others she made, someone giving someone a nickname, for instance Joe the Dog becomes Joe the W*g - thats is racist, undeniably so.

Not part time racist - but full on jackboot wearing scum racist, a pariah to normal thinking people.

End of list.

Try to argue semantics all you want, you try and fail miserably, also on a daily basis, you cannot change the facts of what was said and done.

Interpret and re-interpret then spin the results - something else you do on a daily basis and still it changes nothing about the plain simple truth, that if you make racist comments like Jade and the other two did then you are a racist.

QED

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG

Sorry to step in her Girth. Ok nodis, let's debate the above points:

1. Many people do think comments were racist. It may not offend you or me, but it does offend people. What do you think about the time Jack was bird whistled. Did he say "****" or did he say "****"? What are your views on that?

2. You keep saying this, and I keep telling you we have all debated this several times before. What is your point?

3. I take it you mean this is your opinion. This satement you have made, again, is quite conceited.

4. Is it impossible for you to comment on anything else other than big brother? Or are you avoiding the question. Let me tell you, categorically, there is NO such thing as a "part time racist". You either are or you're not. Quite simple really.

Hi BAZG,

I understand that many people were offended and have said this before.

Whether you or I were offended or not, is neither here nor there.
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Any bird-whistling out is the editors decision, part of Team-Endemol.

I saw & heard swearing on the Big Brother show. The (C) word that you mentioned, is a swear word.

As the (F) word was used, then, it is up to the editors to decide whether or not to edit that out.

If Jack said the (P) word that you have stated, then, it would be the editors decision, whether or not to allow this.

As the show let three girl's say words and sentances which may have sounded like they had racial-over-tones, then, birdwistling out that (P) word that you state, would still be their decision.

As they chose to bird-wistle out a word which wasn't shown, then the editors did their job in that situation.

But, did the Diary Room deal with this?
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The debate about Pete Burns & Jodi Marsh, I would prefer to debate on a topic about them.

However, I brought it up as a "similar", to what GiRTh was talking about, whereby he brought the "sexist" point up!

Not something I wish to elaborate on in this topic.
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My comment about the "No Racism" part, is made due to three different things.

1) The CPS's decision, whereby they say that there is only offensive remarks said.

2) Shilpa said that she didn't consider the girl's to be racist and Jade, Jo & Danielle + every other housemate have sung from the same song-sheet.

3) Endemol do not allow racism on their show and never would. It is one of their rules and also, if they did allow it, they would be held accountable.

It is all about "chain of command".

The person at the very top is the person who is charged.

No charges have been brought, Yet!
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I am commenting about Celebrity Big Brother, as this is what this debate is about
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Regarding the (Part-Time) racist subject, which I have covered previously and I shall keep it as short as I can below.
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If you are assaulted by an Asian man or have racial or personal attacks made on you

in a moment of anger, a Racist word or comment may slip out, (only in the heat of the moment)

This doesn't make someone a Racist person

It just means that they were angry at the time and were provoked by the agressor.
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This is totally different, than someone who is very racist or generally racist.

People who judge people by the colour of skin only.

That is Un-Acceptable to many people.
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I must not let you fall into the trap, whereby, you assume that the three girls, Jade, Jo & Danielle are like this!

There was nothing Part-Time or Full-Time ever voiced on the CBB Jan. show. We have been over this before.

But, only the girl's themselves will know, whether they fall into this criteria.

We can't say that they are or aren't Part-Timer's.

But, from the edited evidence shown, we can't actually say that.

All the best, nodisharmony

[Mrluvaluva]

I don't know why I bothered. We are just going round in circles.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by BAZG
I don't know why I bothered. We are just going round in circles.

If we are?

It must be anti-clockwise.

I am getting hypnotised with your new avatar pic.

Nice one