[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i genuinely only found out this week she was gay


not that it matters but was this a secret?

She's never been bluffin with ha muffin

[y.winter]

Weird song. But good for her for returning to her roots ans stop trying too hard with the quality-music-wannabe songs, it was just embarrassing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Weird song. But good for her for returning to her roots ans stop trying too hard with the quality-music-wannabe songs, it was just embarrassing.

I don't understand. She's always done ballads as well as her "weird" stuff?

Quality-music-wannabe makes no sense.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't understand. She's always done ballads as well as her "weird" stuff?

Quality-music-wannabe makes no sense.

"Million Reasons" and "Perfect Illusion" were pseudo-rock/country songs - when coming from a woman who based her career on controversial, over-sexualized hardcore pop songs, appearence and persona, it lacks credibility.
She needs to stick to what she does best, and that's being THE Lady Gaga, not some weird excuse of "look at me, I'm deep and I can make serious songs without any gimmick".

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

"Million Reasons" and "Perfect Illusion" were pseudo-rock/country songs - when coming from a woman who based her career on controversial, over-sexualized hardcore pop songs, appearence and persona, it lacks credibility.
She needs to stick to what she does best, and that's being THE Lady Gaga, not some weird excuse of "look at me, I'm deep and I can make serious songs without any gimmick".

Perfect Illusion is a pop song.

She's made serious songs for years. Million Reasons being far from the first. Your critique makes zero sense.

Pop songs have had rock/country/jazz etc etc influences for years, including Gaga. This isn't the first.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

"Million Reasons" and "Perfect Illusion" were pseudo-rock/country songs - when coming from a woman who based her career on controversial, over-sexualized hardcore pop songs, appearence and persona, it lacks credibility.
She needs to stick to what she does best, and that's being THE Lady Gaga, not some weird excuse of "look at me, I'm deep and I can make serious songs without any gimmick".

Brown Eyes, Speechless, You & I, Dope etc are all far from "controversial, over-sexualised hardcore pop songs" but okay

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Brown Eyes, Speechless, You & I, Dope etc are all far from "controversial, over-sexualised hardcore pop songs" but okay

Never heard of them. I guess there's a reason they weren't big hits like her early songs.

[TomC]

Why does it say 'Released: 14 May 2017' on the Apple page? Surely it's not going to be another 3 months till it's actually released as a single?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by TomC

Why does it say 'Released: 14 May 2017' on the Apple page? Surely it's not going to be another 3 months till it's actually released as a single?

She's strung out John Wayne's release???

[Marsh.]

I love Perfect Illusion but I almost choked laughing at it being described as "look at me, I'm deep and I can make serious songs".

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I love Perfect Illusion but I almost choked laughing at it being described as "look at me, I'm deep and I can make serious songs".

it was more like "look at me, I'm a rock star, shaking my head back and forth". It was a joke.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

it was more like "look at me, I'm a rock star, shaking my head back and forth". It was a joke.

Yeah, she's never shaken her hair back and forth and never made a pop song with rock influence.

[reece(:]

Perfect Delusion doesn't deserve a mention in this thread! Cease!

[Pete.]

Video looks like it was shot and edited in all of 3 days

And it doesn't differ much from Judas' music video

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Video looks like it was shot and edited in all of 3 days

And it doesn't differ much from Judas' music video

Using that logic it's the same as that Girls Aloud video because it has a motorbike.

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Using that logic it's the same as that Girls Aloud video because it has a motorbike.

You said it not me

[Smithy]

It's on VEVO now, updated the OP

[Smithy]

Also can we not with the Perfect Illusion dragging, that key change is literally the best thing to happen to music in 2016

[y.winter]

Well, I guess it's a sensitive subject here.
What I'm saying is that she's better with her old tricks that got her famous in first place.
There's a reason why on Super Bowl she only performed Million Reason from her last album and it was purely for promo - all the others were Lady Gaga classics from the time when she was relevant and her songs actually made an impact outside of her fanbase and will go down as her best iconic songs. Her latest releases are flops in comparison to what she was.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

Well, I guess it's a sensitive subject here.
What I'm saying is that she's better with her old tricks that got her famous in first place.
There's a reason why on Super Bowl she only performed Million Reason from her last album and it was purely for promo - all the others were Lady Gaga classics from the time when she was relevant and her songs actually made an impact outside of her fanbase and will go down as her best iconic songs. Her latest releases are flops in comparison to what she was.

Yeah, she sang Million Reasons, the song the MOST different from her most famous songs so you're reasoning doesn't make much sense.

[y.winter]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, she sang Million Reasons, the song the MOST different from her most famous songs so you're reasoning doesn't make much sense.

it makes sense. there's no point in dismissing other opinions with "doesn't make any sense" in multiple variations, Marsh.
As someone who doesn't actively listen to Lady Gaga songs, as well as many other people, the exposure/interest she gets has been in decline - and it says a lot.
Bring as many numbers of sales as you want, of course she'll sale millions because she's still lady gaga, but it still doesn't make up for the lack of interest she creates these days. No one talks about lady gaga these days as much as they did when she exploded on the radio and the internet with every music video and single she released.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by y.winter

it makes sense. there's no point in dismissing other opinions with "doesn't make any sense" in multiple variations, Marsh.
As someone who doesn't actively listen to Lady Gaga songs, as well as many other people, the exposure/interest she gets has been in decline - and it says a lot.
Bring as many numbers of sales as you want, of course she'll sale millions because she's still lady gaga, but it still doesn't make up for the lack of interest she creates these days. No one talks about lady gaga these days as much as they did when she exploded on the radio and the internet with every music video and single she released.

I haven't said you don't make sense because it's a "different opinion" I've said it makes little sense because that's what I think about what you're saying.

Of course she isn't making as much of a rumble as she did at the beginning, just as the world is no longer shocked by Madonna's antics as they were in the 80s. The world gets used to things and moves on. That's how it works. Nobody can stay at the top with that much exposure, it's impossible.

I wasn't mentioning sales or numbers, I was commenting on your comments about her music or her style changing when if you actually look at all of her career from 2008 to present her experimentation with songs and genres has not changed and yet somehow "Perfect Illusion" is her trying to do rock and be "credible" and somehow the first time you've noticed this, it's not the first pop song to have influences from other genres (Gaga or not) and it won't be the last.

She's been seen as a credible artist for ages whether she's done a shallow pop number or a slow ballad.

[Jamie89]

I get what Winter's saying, she has changed artistically tbf. But I think she's always been credible as a musician and I don't think her current era is her trying to chase that. I actually think it's kind of the opposite, that when she started she was chasing 'fame' and did a lot of the things she did to get noticed, whereas now she's more able to just do what she wants. Because all those things she used to do, they were just layers on top of her artistic-ness (if that's a word). I think she's always had more to offer than the average pop star and that's clear even from The Fame Monster, but I just think it's a case of her getting older and adapting her music to how she feels now, which any musician probably does.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I get what Winter's saying, she has changed artistically tbf. But I think she's always been credible as a musician and I don't think her current era is her trying to chase that. I actually think it's kind of the opposite, that when she started she was chasing 'fame' and did a lot of the things she did to get noticed, whereas now she's more able to just do what she wants. Because all those things she used to do, they were just layers on top of her artistic-ness (if that's a word). I think she's always had more to offer than the average pop star and that's clear even from The Fame Monster, but I just think it's a case of her getting older and adapting her music to how she feels now, which any musician probably does.

of course she has musicians have to develop if not for fans, then for themselves

interest in her has dwindled, but I'd say that's more to do with how the music scene has changed in the past 8-10 years than anything else

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Jake.

of course she has musicians have to develop if not for fans, then for themselves

interest in her has dwindled, but I'd say that's more to do with how the music scene has changed in the past 8-10 years than anything else

Yeah, that and just that she was so big it would be impossible to maintain that level of interest permanently. And I think part of the attraction was just because she was new and different so obviously after a while that would die down a bit.

Originally Posted by y.winter

I accept it. I just found her first two singles from the last albums not interesting/amusing as they should be. She's a good singer, but it wasn't something to release as a single, especially not first. This John Wayne sounds and looks more like her, but still not as strong as some of her previous singles.

It's funny, I loved her when she released her first album but then I wasn't too interested in the songs she released afterwards and haven't really been a fan for years or followed her very closely, but it was Perfect Illusion that got me interested in her again