[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MB.

...because women are twice as likely to suffer from a clinically significant eating disorder? And because the story is about an advertising campaign complained about by over 70k people because it says that women aren't "beach body ready" unless they look like a twig?

oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Did I say anything about excluding men? I didn't even specify women in that post. I didn't think I'd need to specify both genders since it was obvious I was talking about both genders in the first place.

In fairness though, Bodyshaming in advertising is more of an issue that affects women anyway because adverts are designed depending on the gender they are aimed at. Female-centric advertising quite often relies on exploiting insecurities while a lot of male aimed advertisements tend to be more about inflating egos 'You're amazing already, buy this and be even more of a legend!'.

It's why discussions of bodyshaming is often centred more on women, it's more prevalent in media and advertising aimed at them, it doesn't mean that people are okay with men being bodyshamed, it's just that it's not as prevalent as it is with women.

You only rambled on about it affecting women more when challenged, I expect you have a poll to back this up.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.






You only rambled on about it affecting women more when challenged, I expect you have a poll to back this up.

I have knowledge, qualifications and experience when it comes to advertising and how it's done and things are done differently depending on the target audience. Hell, you could make an argument that most of the adverts that could be seen as bodyshaming towards men are in fact aimed at women since things like fragrances, deodorants and male health and beauty products are more often marketed towards women because it's more common for women to buy those products for their other halves or male relations then it is for the man to go out and buy them.

'rambling on' interesting choice of words, you can't argue directly with what I'm saying so you need to discredit it.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

oh so because some survey said women are twice as likely we must only focus on women, maybe the men are lying in the survey, the way I see it there are as many men down the gym trying to get buff bodies as women.

The article literally says that it's not just women and the only reason that this particularly case is focused on women is because it's an ad targeted at women Also, "some survey"? Yeah, that has a ring of "we don't trust experts" to it...

I'll ignore the other poster who seems to have just called Sadiq Khan a Muslim extremist

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

Its always been the same, most men don't fancy obese women and unfortunately many women are out to please men Of course I know there are men that fancy fat women but not that many I don't think. Would it be acceptable if a model is a healthy weight on a billboard? I think he would still have wanted it banning. Women should have a choice to model in bikinis, by banning them he is trying to take away their choice for his own personal reasons

Don't you try telling the truth in here,it wont work

[MB.]

I'm not even sure if you know what your own argument is here Tozzie

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'm not even sure if you know what your own argument is here Tozzie

I/m not arguing I don't do arguing

[Tozzie]

seems I've ruffled a few feathers. I didn't mean to offend just something I was thinking about and wanted others views on it. Soz

[MB.]

I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

hahaha yeah I'm confused myself

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

hahaha yeah I'm confused myself

No you make perfect sense to me Tozzie

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'm just a little confused by the way you keep flipping between "Sadiq Khan is part of a wider conspiracy to impose Islam on Britain" and "most men want women to walk around naked"

I think it's called have their cake and eat it.

Do you think these Muslim extremists practice what they preach and never drink, look at porn or go to sex clubs? It's the old 'some women you marry and some you have fun with' double standard mentality.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I'm interested to know what British people think about a muslim man banning bikini clad women on adverts. We all know many Muslim men don't like their women to show any part of their body so is this the beginning of Muslims taking control of how we conduct our country? I myself am an overweight woman and I have no qualms about models showing off their bodies.

What about you?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ndon-transport

He didn't want to ban bikini clad women as far as I'm aware, it was specifically ads that promote body shaming, with this particular ad coming under fire mainly because of it's text (and that text being associated with the woman in a bikini looking unhealthily thin), and the whole thing came to be an issue because of the thousands of people who complained about it, not because the Mayor of London is Muslim. He didn't instigate the backlash against the ad, should he have ignored it?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

He didn't want to ban bikini clad women as far as I'm aware, it was specifically ads that promote body shaming, with this particular ad coming under fire mainly because of it's text (and that text being associated with the woman in a bikini looking unhealthily thin), and the whole thing came to be an issue because of the thousands of people who complained about it, not because the Mayor of London is Muslim. He didn't instigate the backlash against the ad, should he have ignored it?

No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MB.

*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

Oh I didn't realise there was an expiry date on news articles, I learn something new every day on TiBB

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Oh I didn't realise there was an expiry date on news articles, I learn something new every day on TiBB

Well, it's not news if it's ten months old, for starters... if anything, I'd suggest the OP's trying to whip up some hysteria in relation to more current events and suggest there's some kind of link (oh wait, that's exactly what they did right away), but that's just me

Again, whilst advertising clearly does play a role in causing body issues for men, if you could find an ad campaign which specifically tells men they're not 'ready' to be on a beach if they're not stick thin then I'd love to see it. If not, then why not just be happy that the Mayor of London did something to prevent advertising promoting body dsysmorphia regardless of gender? Why try to act as if he's doing something wrong?

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by MB.

*2016 (the article's ten months old and isn't actually relevant to anything, so why this thread even exists now I don't know)

I posted it because I only just saw about it yesterday, didn't know it was 10months old, anyhow what if it is old news, I was interested in what people thought, this is a debate forum, all I have sensed from you MB is aggression of my original post, I have a right to post, but oh, sorry I forgot, not if it may offend someone. Freedom of speech was once allowed, if it offended so be it, people dealt with it, not like now, we just pussyfoot around not daring to open our mouths or question our thoughts.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I posted it because I only just saw about it yesterday, didn't know it was 10months old, anyhow what if it is old news, I was interested in what people thought, this is a debate forum, all I have sensed from you MB is aggression of my original post, I have a right to post, but oh, sorry I forgot, not if it may offend someone. Freedom of speech was once allowed, if it offended so be it, people dealt with it, not like now, we just pussyfoot around not daring to open our mouths or question our thoughts.

Tozzie,and people wonder why people leave or don't bother to post.pfft. for what it's worth I agree with you totally,good for you standing by your beliefs, your not a bad person if you don't run with the PC crowd, don't ever change who you are.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I posted it because I only just saw about it yesterday, didn't know it was 10months old, anyhow what if it is old news, I was interested in what people thought, this is a debate forum, all I have sensed from you MB is aggression of my original post, I have a right to post, but oh, sorry I forgot, not if it may offend someone. Freedom of speech was once allowed, if it offended so be it, people dealt with it, not like now, we just pussyfoot around not daring to open our mouths or question our thoughts.

And it's in my freedom of speech to point out that saying "Sadiq Khan wants to Islamify Britain and this unrelated thing is proof of that" has some pretty racist undertones... I appreciate that's not what you're saying (only asking the question), but I know for a fact there are others on this forum who believe that kind of thing

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No he shouldn't have ignored it, but he should have focussed on all adverts male or female which portray an unrealistic body image, it makes no sense to single females out in 2017, the number of males v females shouldn't come in to it

I think he did tbf, women are the focus of the article and just generally I think because it's more of a common issue for women (and the ad that attracted all the attention and complaints was of a woman), but his comments addressed that it's an issue for everyone.

[Jamie89]

On the male/female thing, I don't think he ever actually singled it out as only being an issue for women, it's just been spun that way in the OP because of the ad that sparked all this. He referred to advertising that can demean people, he's not targeting 'bikini clad women'.

[MB.]

I thought the picture of his wife posted only a few posts into this thread would put an end to stupid comments like that, never mind

[jennyjuniper]

Instead of looking at ads like these to 'shame people', why not look at them as something to admire and maybe create in us a little spark of 'I wouldn't mind looking like that'. Some people need outside stimulus to promote a little ambition and drive within ourselves. Although having said that, most normal, sensible people just look at it, think 'nice' and move on.-
I am so sick of the populace being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from every little thing that might offend them or lower their self esteem. This is what obese people who have no intention of changing their ways rely on, a society that says 'There there, it's not your fault that you have no self control'.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Instead of looking at ads like these to 'shame people', why not look at them as something to admire and maybe create in us a little spark of 'I wouldn't mind looking like that'. Some people need outside stimulus to promote a little ambition and drive within ourselves. Although having said that, most normal, sensible people just look at it, think 'nice' and move on.-
I am so sick of the populace being wrapped in cotton wool and protected from every little thing that might offend them or lower their self esteem. This is what obese people who have no intention of changing their ways rely on, a society that says 'There there, it's not your fault that you have no self control'.

I agree with this in principle and I don't think there's anything wrong with having attractive people in advertising and 'admiring' them or whatever, but I think the issue people had with this ad in particular was that a lot of people thought the model looked unhealthily thin, so I don't think the issue was just that it might offend obese or fat people, I think it was also that it was seen as something that could potentially have a damaging effect on people with eating disorders, and I think we should try and protect those people if we can.

[AnnieK]

Wow, this thread is totally indicative of what is wrong with this site at the moment. The OP asked for opinions on an article and was immediately called racist and accused of calling Khan an extremist. Not everyone is as well informed on certain things. Instead of jumping and accusing and answering sarcastically maybe the better option is to try and educate people on matters rather than assume the worst in people which is how bad feeling festers and people stop posting on here for fear of being jumped on.

I have learnt plenty reading posts on issues I am ill informed on but had questioned something and had my questions treated as bigotry in some shape of form I wouldn't have asked again and then I would never have learned and continued woth jy original train of thought.