[arista]

Many do not.
So this tax on Private Schools
will fund every school meal.

[the truth]

its a typical labour gimmick, messing abour on the edges and not making any fundamental changes...any chance of an industrial policy for starters?

[jaxie]

I think once again it shows how out of touch Labour are. I don't think in the big scheme of all things education that this would be a priority for many people. Not to mention. Plus school meals aren't very nutritious.

[MB.]

You're right, every parent of every primary school child in the country chooses not to work

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MB.

You're right, every parent of every primary school child in the country chooses not to work

youre lying again, I didnt say that...but some choose not to thats for certain

[jennyjuniper]

Why should people who have worked hard to be able to send their children to private schools, thus saving the state the cost of educating them, have to fork out for other people's children.?
Labour does this every time. They punish the people who have ambition and have achieved something in life, by making them pay for those who just want to live off the state. I'm not saying that every parent whose child attends state school is an underachiever or not doing their best. There are lots of them who work hard.
It just seems to me that Labour is trying to turn Britain into a country of handouts, nannying by the state and apathy.
The rich, by and large have earned their wealth and if labour continues to try to tax them out of existence, maybe all we will be left with is a bankrupt nation. Not only bankrupt of cash, but of moral fibre and the will to succeed.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Why should people who have worked hard to be able to send their children to private schools, thus saving the state the cost of educating them, have to fork out for other people's children.?
Labour does this every time. They punish the people who have ambition and have achieved something in life, by making them pay for those who just want to live off the state. I'm not saying that every parent whose child attends state school is an underachiever or not doing their best. There are lots of them who work hard.
It just seems to me that Labour is trying to turn Britain into a country of handouts, nannying by the state and apathy.
The rich, by and large have earned their wealth and if labour continues to try to tax them out of existence, maybe all we will be left with is a bankrupt nation. Not only bankrupt of cash, but of moral fibre and the will to succeed.

agreed

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Why should people who have worked hard to be able to send their children to private schools, thus saving the state the cost of educating them, have to fork out for other people's children.?
Labour does this every time. They punish the people who have ambition and have achieved something in life, by making them pay for those who just want to live off the state. I'm not saying that every parent whose child attends state school is an underachiever or not doing their best. There are lots of them who work hard.
It just seems to me that Labour is trying to turn Britain into a country of handouts, nannying by the state and apathy.
The rich, by and large have earned their wealth and if labour continues to try to tax them out of existence, maybe all we will be left with is a bankrupt nation. Not only bankrupt of cash, but of moral fibre and the will to succeed.

Good post Jenny.

[Kizzy]

Why isn't VAT already on school fees, It's a tax on goods and services isn't it?

How come only private schools get to tax dodge by claiming charitable status?...

[Kizzy]

Ahem...

Former education secretary Michael Gove has slammed independent schools for serving the offspring of the world’s global elite, while using their charitable status to avoid paying taxes in the manner of other private firms.

In a column written for The Times, entitled “Put VAT on school fees and soak the rich”, Mr Gove criticises the current system for still considering the education of the children of “plutocrats and oligarchs” to be a charitable activity. He argues that removing the tax advantages of private schools would boost standards in the state sector and raise vital extra funds.

“Private school fees are VAT-exempt. That tax advantage allows the wealthiest in this country, indeed the very wealthiest in the globe, to buy a prestige service that secures their children a permanent positional edge in society at an effective 20 per cent discount,” Mr Gove wrote.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7597126.html

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ahem...

Former education secretary Michael Gove has slammed independent schools for serving the offspring of the world’s global elite, while using their charitable status to avoid paying taxes in the manner of other private firms.

In a column written for The Times, entitled “Put VAT on school fees and soak the rich”, Mr Gove criticises the current system for still considering the education of the children of “plutocrats and oligarchs” to be a charitable activity. He argues that removing the tax advantages of private schools would boost standards in the state sector and raise vital extra funds.

“Private school fees are VAT-exempt. That tax advantage allows the wealthiest in this country, indeed the very wealthiest in the globe, to buy a prestige service that secures their children a permanent positional edge in society at an effective 20 per cent discount,” Mr Gove wrote.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7597126.html

so they are ripping off a Tory policy, this just gets better.

[Livia]

Dianne Abbott: "I sent my son to private school so he wouldn't end up in a gang"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...private-230293

Cobyn and his "don't do as I do, do as I say" mentality, allowing his class hatred to rise to the surface without realising he's targeting the wrong people. My brother sends his three girls to private school, costs them an arm and a leg, they've taken equity from their house, given up holidays and treats, the grandparents have chipped in... another 20% on top of the fees will send the girls back to the state school where they were so badly failed.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dianne Abbott: "I sent my son to private school so he wouldn't end up in a gang"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...private-230293

Cobyn and his "don't do as I do, do as I say" mentality, allowing his class hatred to rise to the surface without realising he's targeting the wrong people. My brother sends his three girls to private school, costs them an arm and a leg, they've taken equity from their house, given up holidays and treats, the grandparents have chipped in... another 20% on top of the fees will send the girls back to the state school where they were so badly failed.

But I bet Diane would fight tooth and nail to stop anyone elses child getting a break in grammar school. Says it all really. ****ing hypocrite.

[arista]

Yes a Early M.Gove idea.


Now a Labour Plan

[smudgie]

Taxing education for children is ridiculous.
Those that sacrifice holidays and cut down on other things in life to pay for their children's education need a pat on the back not taxing.
They are already saving the state by paying for what the state would otherwise have to pay.

[joeysteele]

It's only aimed at primary school pupils.
Hardly a massive venture.
However I think it will be a welcome policy overall.

[iloveaisleyne]

How does this help anyone? Those who need free school lunches already qualify. If they tax private education fees, they should use the money for something more substantial e.g ensuring schools have the resources to cope with large amounts of pupils.

[Livia]

Corbyn taxing what he perceives as the over-privileged, now his cronies' children have all left private school. A lot like Blair introducing university fees once they'd all enjoyed their free education.

[joeysteele]

All parties have perceived hypocrites in them as to policies they direct at others in govt.

This policy will help in that all primary pupils get free meals and therefore removes part of the stigma from pupils who at present need the free aspect of same.

Anything that helps stop children feeling inferior is a good thing.
Or maybe some like the idea of children 'needing' free school meals being ridiculed for needing same.

Also it at least opens up a proper meal ensured too.
That's a good thing too.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

All parties have perceived hypocrites in them as to policies they direct at others in govt.

This policy will help in that all primary pupils get free meals and therefore removes part of the stigma from pupils who at present need the free aspect of same.

Anything that helps stop children feeling inferior is a good thing.
Or maybe some like the idea of children 'needing' free school meals being ridiculed for needing same.

Also it at least opens up a proper meal ensured too.
That's a good thing too.

I don't see that a lot, people liking the idea of children being in need. I don't expect you do either.

As Brillo has said, kids who need free meals already get them. This is just another little campaign in Corbyn's class war, but sadly he's targeting not exclusively rich people, but working class and middle class people who struggle and go without to send their kids to private school. Or maybe some like the idea of people having to remove their kids from a school where they're settled and sticking them back into the state system because they can't afford an extra 20% on fees.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't see that a lot, people liking the idea of children being in need. I don't expect you do either.

As Brillo has said, kids who need free meals already get them. This is just another little campaign in Corbyn's class war, but sadly he's targeting not exclusively rich people, but working class and middle class people who struggle and go without to send their kids to private school. Or maybe some like the idea of people having to remove their kids from a school where they're settled and sticking them back into the state system because they can't afford an extra 20% on fees.

I actually do go along with much you say.

I hate the class war in politics,whether that is something like this or the present govts.sledgehamner attitude to the sick and disabled.

I personally like and see merits to this policy but as I said earlier funded by another means.
Also I do think if all primary pupils had free meals that would remove any lingering stigma towards those who need it.

I can however take some of your points on board definitely.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't see that a lot, people liking the idea of children being in need. I don't expect you do either.

As Brillo has said, kids who need free meals already get them. This is just another little campaign in Corbyn's class war, but sadly he's targeting not exclusively rich people, but working class and middle class people who struggle and go without to send their kids to private school. Or maybe some like the idea of people having to remove their kids from a school where they're settled and sticking them back into the state system because they can't afford an extra 20% on fees.

And Brillos opinion is gospel, what was it you were saying about opinions on that other thread again?
Countless teachers have a different perspective, I'll go with them as there is some basis in fact in their opinion.
Who's to say the fees would increase? Maybe they could allocate a percentage of what the fees are currently?

[joeysteele]

Mo

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And Brillos opinion is gospel, what was it you were saying about opinions on that other thread again?
Countless teachers have a different perspective, I'll go with them as there is some basis in fact in their opinion.
Who's to say the fees would increase? Maybe they could allocate a percentage of what the fees are currently?

I passed over that bit at the start of your post,like you I give my opinion and it is up to others to disagree or agree with me.
It is true,those who need free meals do get them but some suffer stigma for that.

This policy would remove any ridiculing of children getting free meals as all would get it.
So in fact this in part, funded another way, actually helps remove a possible class divide on the issue.
That's how I see it anyway in part.

Not needing to quote others to make a petty jibe at someone, just my opinion.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I actually do go along with much you say.

I hate the class war in politics,whether that is something like this or the present govts.sledgehamner attitude to the sick and disabled.

I personally like and see merits to this policy but as I said earlier funded by another means.
Also I do think if all primary pupils had free meals that would remove any lingering stigma towards those who need it.

I can however take some of your points on board definitely.

I'm not against primary school kids in state schools having free meals, I'm totally against people who scrimp and scrape to send their kids to private school being robbed to the tune of 20%. I see we share some ground on this.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And Brillos opinion is gospel, what was it you were saying about opinions on that other thread again?
Countless teachers have a different perspective, I'll go with them as there is some basis in fact in their opinion.
Who's to say the fees would increase? Maybe they could allocate a percentage of what the fees are currently?

Sigh.... I said "as Brillo has said..." to save me stating it all over again. How come I can't do that, but you can?

Will you please leave me alone? It's tiresome having to explain myself to you continually. Do you think joeysteele can't answer for himself? That's who I was talking to. Not you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sigh.... I said "as Brillo has said..." to save me stating it all over again. How come I can't do that, but you can?

Will you please leave me alone? It's tiresome having to explain myself to you continually. Do you think joeysteele can't answer for himself? That's who I was talking to. Not you.

This is a forum, you address me both directly and indirectly, I can interject where I see fit to.

I see it's ok for people to kick their heels up about tax breaks for married couples and the like not caring of the cuts that have to be made to absorb those?

Here is some information for you, the 'squeezed middle' were priced out years ago.

'Over five years fees are up by an average of 21pc across Britain. Over 13 years - the duration of a child's full schooling - fees have roughly doubled.'

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/investing...rivate-school/


“Children living in poverty often suffer more ill-health and absenteeism from school and cannot concentrate when they are hungry.

“Teachers and other public service workers are struggling to pick up the pieces caused by this Government’s economic and social policies. It has a responsibility to tackle, not generate, poverty and homelessness.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...-a6813306.html