[Brother Leon]

I don't judge people political views. If I did then most of the world are *****. Besides, the American Election was a joke with two of the worst and most corrupt candidates ever. I can't judge either fanbase as it was choosing between twats.

[pontyboi]

Look my gran has supported labour all her life, I have friends who love trump and friends who hate trump......let's not get started on Theresa May lol

The fact is I judge a person or housemate not on their political or religious beliefs but on how they are in the house.

Raph isn't perfect and what he said in his vt was probably an exxageration of his actual character to get in the house but I like the man and the way he acted on fight night gets a lot of praise from me.

[Littlegreen]

I had to defend Joel for weeks on end because he was a politician and now this with Raph... my favourites are always stressful.

But no, I don't judge on political stances. Everybody has an opinion and that should be respected.

[Alf]

Being a Trump supporter, probably means he's gonna win.

Trump supporters have been winning lots lately.

[storybrooke]

If he brought politics into the house then maybe we could judge him for it, but he hasn't so I am not going to love/hate him because of who he supports politically

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by storybrooke

If he brought politics into the house then maybe we could judge him for it, but he hasn't so I am not going to love/hate him because of who he supports politically

You don't think that tells you a lot about who they are?

If he wore a swastika in his VT, but then never mentioned it in the house... That would be ok to you?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Alf

Being a Trump supporter, probably means he's gonna win.

Trump supporters have been winning lots lately.

But, weirdly, not by popular vote.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Alf

Being a Trump supporter, probably means he's gonna win.

Trump supporters have been winning lots lately.

I must have missed that.

I was more interested watching Trump scramble in relation to news that tapes of his people colluding with Russia are about to emerge. Probably got something to do with the fact that some of those being investigated have been doing deals with the Feds to sell Trump out.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You don't think that tells you a lot about who they are?

If he wore a swastika in his VT, but then never mentioned it in the house... That would be ok to you?

Look im in no way standing up for Trump I think he's a moron and yet another reality TV star or movie star to become president or the mayor of California.

We all know people say controversial things to get in the house and Raph being one of us and knowing exactly how to play producers hopped on the Trump bandwagon which was at the time he auditioned a huge talking point....obviously he had to carry that onto his vt but I think that was all a front.

He's a decent guy imo.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Look im in no way standing up for Trump I think he's a moron... but I think (Raph) that was all a front.

Sounds like you are excusing an expressed political belief in order to support a HM.

I mean, I ask again, if a HM that you didn't know wore a swastika in his VT, would you out it down to front and rationalise it? Does a HMs politics matter or not?

Who we support speaks volumes about who we are and what we stand for, especially expressing that support on TV.

[Marsh.]

Swastika? That counts as a Hitler mention right?

You lose Vesavius! You lose!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There are many understandable reasons why people voted for Trump, just as they did to leave the EU and for why people continue to swallow the Tories bull****. I understand and sympathise with the reasoning, but just realise that these people/parties/decisions aren't the answer. And without wanting to get too political in this subforum, strangely enough all three can be be linked to one ideology.

More to the point, I don't really care about housemate's political opinions. I don't care about what they do outside the confines of a television set for that matter. I don't think it's relevant to the show at all. Hence why I liked Joel in BB16 despite him being a massive Tory

Good post again.

I too supported Joel.

I was a Clinton supporter but hey,I know Raph on here,have chatted lots in threads,PMs and visitor messages.
I know Raph is a great guy.

Why on earth because he likes Trump should that be a reason to dislike him.
It gets more and more desperate every day as to anti Raph threads.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Sounds like you are excusing an expressed political belief in order to support a HM.

I mean, I ask again, if a HM that you didn't know wore a swastika in his VT, would you out it down to front and rationalise it? Does a HMs politics matter or not?

Who we support speaks volumes about who we are and what we stand for, especially expressing that support on TV.

My god lol! You lost this at Swastika. Trying to be controversial won't win over a level headed (handsome) forum member

Can I also just say I don't "support" anyone for me BB changes day to day and I judge from what I see. I'm not some teeny bopper pushing my fan beliefs on others for gods sakes im 32 years old!

All jokes aside like I said I judge housemates on their behaviour in the house. I don't behave like the tabloids and drag up **** they said before entering because I'm wiser than that and as a BB fan so should you be. We all know every single person put on a persona to get in the house that is FACT.

[YourLAEx]

It was either Trump or Hilary, it's like choosing vagina or tits, both terrible choices

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by YourLAEx

It was either Trump or Hilary, it's like choosing vagina or tits, both terrible choices

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

My god lol! You lost this at Swastika. Trying to be controversial won't...

It was a serious question, one you are desperately deflecting with this reply.

Will you answer it, or dodge and deflect more?

If someone wore a swastika in their VT but didn't mention it in the house, would you be ok with that? Would you support them?

[Novo]

The Alt Right all voting in their numbers and hijacking the liberal vote for Chanelle in the final

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

It was a serious question, one you are desperately deflecting with this reply.

Will you answer it, or dodge and deflect more?

If someone wore a swastika in their VT but didn't mention it in the house, would you be ok with that? Would you support them?

And yet again you take a small portion of a detailed answer I give you and turn it into what you meant to say which is "would you support a Hitler supporter" ...ofcourse not....nobody would. are you actually living in the 1940's?

You lost this debate as soon as you mentioned that. Trumps an anus but hasn't massacred millions of Jews.

Are you actually being serious? Lol....I answered your question and I judge from the actions I see in the house. I have watched this show from 2000 and know housemates say controversial things to get in the house BUT you're taking it to far by comparing an apparent Trump supporter and comparing him to a Nazi.

Reaching....just like S Club 7 did back in the day.

I don't allways agree with Raphs actions but overall he's one of the nicest housemates in there.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Are you actually being serious? Lol... I judge from the actions I see in the house

Yes.

So, you would support a self professed nazi white supremest, as long as they didn't mention it in the house. Interesting.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't agree with Raph on Trump, but he still comes across as a nice guy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

You don't think that tells you a lot about who they are?

If he wore a swastika in his VT, but then never mentioned it in the house... That would be ok to you?

That's a bit different.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's a bit different.

Is it? How?

I use it as an example of a political belief. The question is does the political leanings of a HM outside the house matter when they are in there if they don't mention it inside.

Why does it matter what those leanings are, once they are inside?

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes.

So, you would support a self professed nazi white supremest, as long as they didn't mention it in the house. Interesting.

I already answered that question saying NOONE would support a Nazi lol.

Stop cherry picking my posts and taking out of context to suit your own posts as a pathetic attempt to change people's minds.....you're the one acting like Hitler.

I'm done with this conversation with you seeing as I have the ability to be fair and see both sides whilst posting in depth replies yet you can only post replies like "do you support nazis?" Lol

Pathetic.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Is it? How?

I use it as an example of a political belief. The question is does the political leanings of a HM outside the house matter when they are in there if they don't mention it inside.

Why does it matter what those leanings are, once they are inside?

If Raph said that he supported Hitler massacring millions of Jewish people, and caused a World War because he was a dictator then I wouldn't support Raph.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

I already answered that question saying NOONE would support a Nazi lol.

But that directly contradicts your other statement that you only only judge them on what they do inside the house.

Do you not see that?

It's one or the other.

Originally Posted by pontyboi

Pathetic.

Please don't make personal attacks. I have seen you do that a lot today. Please keep it to conversation about the HMs.