[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The divide is the only thing making this series at all interesting. If he created it, he isn't boring.

Again, does not compute.

He contributed to creating it in a really boring but sly way. He didn't create it on his own. Stop giving him credit.

Again, computed (can we stop with this juvenile 'compute' thing now?).

But, that's interesting... Do you agree with the BOTS view that Raph was to blame for the events of the mini 'fight night'? Because that's what you are saying.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by vesavius

He contributed to creating it in a really boring but sly way. He didn't create it on his own. Stop giving him credit.

Again, computed (can we stop with this juvenile 'compute' thing now?).

But, that's interesting... Do you agree with the BOTS view that Raph was to blame for the events of the mini 'fight night'? Because that's what you are saying.

Okay, let me rephrase. He helped create a divide that is one of the only interesting things about this series, thus he can't be that boring. It's not juvenile, it's just a way of saying what you're suggesting doesn't make any sense because it's a contradiction.

I do actually, and I agreed with Judi James giving him credit for it. A job well done tbh, the most entertaining argument for a decade

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Okay, let me rephrase. He helped create a divide that is one of the only interesting things about this series, thus he can't be that boring.

I do actually, and I agreed with Judi James giving him credit for it.

ok, cool, this feels like it can actually be a conversation now.

Yes, I agree he did contribute to it, but I am saying it was done in such a boring way, IMO, that my use of the word to describe him is valid. Again, i am saying why I find him boring, not why you should. His play approach, moaning, and scuttling between groups was, in my eyes, tedious.

He has played the victim all through this season, segregating himself and complaining. Again, I find this boring.

You can be boring and negative and sly at the same time.

No contradiction.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Maybe he feels it more because initially he was made an outsider by Tom and co due to his VT?

Yes, he felt isolated at the beginning. Chanelle actually bothered to get to know him and that's why they're close.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, he felt isolated at the beginning. Chanelle actually bothered to get to know him and that's why they're close.

Oh, please... Chan just used him because he was an outsider at the time. They aren't close.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes, he felt isolated at the beginning. Chanelle actually bothered to get to know him and that's why they're close.

He felt isolated because he isolated himself...Raph knows you are not going to be surrounded by people who talk about psychology or world politics in the BB house.
Chanelles level of conversation is more shallow than most...she talks dirty and she pees in the hot tub....so how does that equate.
Maybe Raph should make more of an effort...but that's not in his game plan

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

Maybe he feels it more because initially he was made an outsider by Tom and co due to his VT?

If he was called out on his VT, well... He said it. Tom saw all their VTs, I am sure he spoke about them all.

The divide has become his whole personality. He won't let it go. Even Chan has moved over to Isobelle as her main friend, now she has an option. It must get tiring being in there with someone that insists on segregating themselves and then acting like a victim because of it in an attempt to manipulate others.

[RhysJones]

They all do seem to spend a bit more time with each other apart from Raph who just spends all his time with the outsiders in the bedroom and then in the diary room. He's gone on about it since the first week and still is, it's getting old. The clique is actually telling him to come out of the bedroom and spend some more time in the communal areas

[Littlegreen]

Originally Posted by RhysJones

They all do seem to spend a bit more time with each other apart from Raph who just spends all his time with the outsiders in the bedroom and then in the diary room. He's gone on about it since the first week and still is, it's getting old. The clique is actually telling him to come out of the bedroom and spend some more time in the communal areas

If Tom has been off with him since the start maybe he purposely avoids that awkwardness. Especially if the conversation is crap.

I think all the oldies will band together anyway after tonight.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Littlegreen

If Tom has been off with him since the start maybe he purposely avoids that awkwardness. Especially if the conversation is crap.

I think all the oldies will band together anyway after tonight.

I don't blame him for avoiding Tom. The guy is a complete moron

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't blame him for avoiding Tom. The guy is a complete moron

Tom is, but that isn't why Raph segregated himself. He did it because he knows a lot of BB fans like a victim, so he set about creating himself to be one.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Tom is, but that isn't why Raph segregated himself. He did it because he knows a lot of BB fans like a victim, so he set about creating himself to be one.

So true !!

[chuff me dizzy]

Without the divide SnakeBoy has no purpose in the house ,its all he's got, lording it up and backstabbing to the Kray Sisters and the cheap slappers

[Barry.]

Didn't newbie Savannah also talk about the two groups?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Didn't newbie Savannah also talk about the two groups?

Yes, she did.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Didn't newbie Savannah also talk about the two groups?

Nope, but make one I will agree with you on it. This one is about Raph though, not Sav.

I have zero like for her, but she hasn't made the divide the defining part of her personality like he has (again, this was covered already in the thread).

[Barry.]

Did she get a thread?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Did she get a thread?

Kieran also talked about it. No, They don't get threads about it.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Kieran also talked about it. No, They don't get threads about it.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Kieran also talked about it. No, They don't get threads about it.

oh, sweet god... Then make one about him if you want to. I would also agree. See above in my response for Sav for the rest. smh.

This thread is about Raph. Please stop trying to derail it.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by BBfan2017

Did she get a thread?

Yes she did...under her quote of "we must stick together"