[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Hmm. But digging up old, horrific stories for nothing more than a chance to take "a dig at the left" / "PC" is tiresome nonsense? No?

In fact it's more than that. It's exploitative and cheap.

It's only "digging up old, horrific stories" if you're using it to dismiss an opposing point and further your agenda.

Otherwise, it's called "precedent".

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's only "digging up old, horrific stories" if you're using it to dismiss an opposing point and further your agenda.

Otherwise, it's called "precedent".

It's using a horrendous incident of assault and abuse to make a petty point on a small Internet forum.

Its low. It's rock ****ing bottom, actually.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

were talking about the abuse and murders of 1000s as a direct result of political correctness and all you can do is mock and be fickle about it? How predictably awful

Windows 8 wasn't THAT bad.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's using a horrendous incident of assault and abuse to make a petty point on a small Internet forum.

Its low. It's rock ****ing bottom, actually.

Yup, using rape and child abuse to further an agenda is actually pretty sick tbh.

[Livia]

It's not a crime to cite old instances, even if the crimes are horrendous as in this case. Everything harks back to something else... and to use that fact to suggest there was more that could have been done, well, I don't see that as sick. I see it as citing a precedent.

The Asian child grooming gangs targeted young white girls. There is no denying that. It was the fear of offending that stopped this horrific incident coming to light earlier, so the girls involved continued to be abused and/or not believed. No decent, thinking person imagines that every Asian man thinks this was any more than decent, thinking people imagine all Muslims are terrorists. It is only idiots who believe stuff like that. And denying those young girls a voice for fear of offending a community who was equally outraged at what happened, backfired on the mainly white, middle-class people who made the mistake of not allowing the incident to be dragged fully into the light... in my opinion.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's not a crime to cite old instances, even if the crimes are horrendous as in this case. Everything harks back to something else... and to use that fact to suggest there was more that could have been done, well, I don't see that as sick. I see it as citing a precedent.

If it was someone else I might agree but - in my opinion - you're willfully overlooking the fact that Brillo, amoungst others, only ever post links to anything in order to score "TiBB points for their team", and from the content and wording of this thread, that's exactly what this is. There are certain things that - again in my opinion - it's in seriously bad form to cite to try to "make your point about PC and stuff" on the internet. This is one of those things.

Now, if anyone wants to have a serious, open, level-headed discussion about these things that would be absolutely fair enough and something worth engaging in. Posting it to say "SEE THIS WHY PC CULTURE BAD!!" ...? No. Not OK. In my opinion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If it was someone else I might agree but - in my opinion - you're willfully overlooking the fact that Brillo, amoungst others, only ever post links to anything in order to score "TiBB points for their team", and from the content and wording of this thread, that's exactly what this is. There are certain things that - again in my opinion - it's in seriously bad form to cite to try to "make your point about PC and stuff" on the internet. This is one of those things.

Now, if anyone wants to have a serious, open, level-headed discussion about these things that would be absolutely fair enough and something worth engaging in. Posting it to say "SEE THIS WHY PC CULTURE BAD!!" ...? No. Not OK. In my opinion.

Who are you to accuse people of only ever posting anything to score Tibb points for their team - what team? On top of all your other imperfections you think you can read minds now do you? Are you a qualified registered psychologist?

You getting on your high horse like this can also be interpreted as tactics and in poor taste - using child abuse as a way of attempting to take the moral high ground to undermine another in my opinion.

It is the typical bullying, controlling and downright transparent behaviour of the kind of PC bigot I was originally referring to who tries to shut down the opinions of others in my opinion. If anyone is point scoring here it isn't me!!!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Who are you to accuse people of only ever posting anything to score Tibb points for their team - what team? On top of all your other imperfections you think you can read minds now do you? Are you a qualified registered psychologist?

I stated several times that this is "in my opinion", which - believe it or not Brillo - I am as entitled to as you are . "Who am I to accuse you of only posting to point-score"? I'm someone who thinks you only post to point-score. Nothing more, nothing less. You are free to disagree with me, but you're very unlikely to convince me that it's not the case. Your say-so simply isn't enough. Sorry.

You getting on your high horse like this can also be interpreted as tactics and in poor taste - using child abuse as a way of attempting to take the moral high ground to undermine another in my opinion.

Maybe so and I actually do dislike having to get into this petty **** on threads about things like this but the alternative is to just to see these threads, know exactly what they are, but say nothing let it run riot. It's a matter of balancing what leaves less of a bad taste in my mouth. On balance, I feel like it's worse to let people believe that these "subtle" dig-threads are going unnoticed. They are not. They are as transparent as wet tissue paper.

It is the typical bullying, controlling and downright transparent behaviour of the kind of PC bigot I was originally referring to who tries to shut down the opinions of others in my opinion. If anyone is point scoring here it isn't me!!!

Who is trying to "shut down" your opinion? All I'm doing is pointing out that I can see through your oh-so-cunning use of news stories to "lefty-bash", and stating MY opinion that I think using these stories to do that is right down in the gutter when it comes to "low".


Finally: You can't post endlessly about "PC" for weeks (thread, after thread, after thread) then mention it in the title of another thread and expect people to believe that it's purely coincidence... and not just yet another thread with the same intent and jack-**** to do with the victims of these horrific crimes. It's ludicrous. We're not in a court of law, I don't have a "burden of proof", I don't need a profession to back up my opinion, it's a chat forum and I can point out the blatantly obvious. I see you Brillo, the vast majority of people do, and putting your hands over your eyes and saying "no u can't, prove it!" is going to change absolutely nothing about that.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I stated several times that this is "in my opinion", which - believe it or not Brillo - I am as entitled to as you are . "Who am I to accuse you of only posting to point-score"? I'm someone who thinks you only post to point-score. Nothing more, nothing less. You are free to disagree with me, but you're very unlikely to convince me that it's not the case. Your say-so simply isn't enough. Sorry.



Maybe so and I actually do dislike having to get into this petty **** on threads about things like this but the alternative is to just to see these threads, know exactly what they are, but say nothing let it run riot. It's a matter of balancing what leaves less of a bad taste in my mouth. On balance, I feel like it's worse to let people believe that these "subtle" dig-threads are going unnoticed. They are not. They are as transparent as wet tissue paper.



Who is trying to "shut down" your opinion? All I'm doing is pointing out that I can see through your oh-so-cunning use of news stories to "lefty-bash", and stating MY opinion that I think using these stories to do that is right down in the gutter when it comes to "low".


Finally: You can't post endlessly about "PC" for weeks (thread, after thread, after thread) then mention it in the title of another thread and expect people to believe that it's purely coincidence... and not just yet another thread with the same intent and jack-**** to do with the victims of these horrific crimes. It's ludicrous. We're not in a court of law, I don't have a "burden of proof", I don't need a profession to back up my opinion, it's a chat forum and I can point out the blatantly obvious. I see you Brillo, the vast majority of people do, and putting your hands over your eyes and saying "no u can't, prove it!" is going to change absolutely nothing about that.

are you God?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Withano

are you God?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I stated several times that this is "in my opinion", which - believe it or not Brillo - I am as entitled to as you are . "Who am I to accuse you of only posting to point-score"? I'm someone who thinks you only post to point-score. Nothing more, nothing less. You are free to disagree with me, but you're very unlikely to convince me that it's not the case. Your say-so simply isn't enough. Sorry.



Maybe so and I actually do dislike having to get into this petty **** on threads about things like this but the alternative is to just to see these threads, know exactly what they are, but say nothing let it run riot. It's a matter of balancing what leaves less of a bad taste in my mouth. On balance, I feel like it's worse to let people believe that these "subtle" dig-threads are going unnoticed. They are not. They are as transparent as wet tissue paper.



Who is trying to "shut down" your opinion? All I'm doing is pointing out that I can see through your oh-so-cunning use of news stories to "lefty-bash", and stating MY opinion that I think using these stories to do that is right down in the gutter when it comes to "low".


Finally: You can't post endlessly about "PC" for weeks (thread, after thread, after thread) then mention it in the title of another thread and expect people to believe that it's purely coincidence... and not just yet another thread with the same intent and jack-**** to do with the victims of these horrific crimes. It's ludicrous. We're not in a court of law, I don't have a "burden of proof", I don't need a profession to back up my opinion, it's a chat forum and I can point out the blatantly obvious. I see you Brillo, the vast majority of people do, and putting your hands over your eyes and saying "no u can't, prove it!" is going to change absolutely nothing about that.

I see you too and the way you make announcements such as 'the vast majority of people do ......' speaks volumes. You are trying to intimidate me with numbers - totally transparent.

So you think you speak for the vast majority - that is an extremely arrogant belief. I have no doubt you speak for a certain number on here who share your PC opinions but equally I know several would agree with me. Quite frankly I don't care how many people you think you speak for as I don't operate that way and take such comments with the pinch of salt they deserve.

I hate PC and have made that abundantly clear. I am also as entitled as anyone to express my opinions in as many threads as I like. If there is some stipulation in the rules that says I can't than point me in that direction, if not then either respond to my threads without such blatant attempts to humiliate or don't respond at all. Simple.

You entered the threads - bit silly to get your knickers in a twist if you saw what you expected to see. I would of thought that feeling the way you do you would avoid my threads like the plague. Each to their own - but getting all superior by insulting me doesn't make you look any better that you accuse me of looking.

[Withano]

Brillo, not being funny, you genuinely are, in my opinion, one of the most PC people on the site. You only claim you hate it between instances of benefiting from it.

[the truth]

the left are still trying to cover this up and accuse anyone who discusses this horrific story of endless abuse and oc cover ups as scoring points. the left have proved themselves to be phenomenally dangerous , corrupt self serving and thoroughly hypocritical and self serving. they only care for the
20,000 + abused children here and across rothermam after they got caught covering it all up...the left should never ever again be entrusted with the keys to government

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Brillo, not being funny, you genuinely are, in my opinion, one of the most PC people on the site. You only claim you hate it between instances of benefiting from it.

And you always seize every opportunity to jump on me on the back of someone else.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

And you always seize every opportunity to jump on me on the back of someone else.

Bit silly to make a thread if you're just gonna get your knickers in a twist at the replies.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I see you too and the way you make announcements such as 'the vast majority of people do ......' speaks volumes. You are trying to intimidate me with numbers - totally transparent.

So you think you speak for the vast majority - that is an extremely arrogant belief. I have no doubt you speak for a certain number on here who share your PC opinions but equally I know several would agree with me. Quite frankly I don't care how many people you think you speak for as I don't operate that way and take such comments with the pinch of salt they deserve.

I hate PC and have made that abundantly clear. I am also as entitled as anyone to express my opinions in as many threads as I like. If there is some stipulation in the rules that says I can't than point me in that direction, if not then either respond to my threads without such blatant attempts to humiliate or don't respond at all. Simple.

You entered the threads - bit silly to get your knickers in a twist if you saw what you expected to see. I would of thought that feeling the way you do you would avoid my threads like the plague. Each to their own - but getting all superior by insulting me doesn't make you look any better that you accuse me of looking.

Why would I avoid your threads like the plague rather than enter them and attempt to combat the things that you're peddling? I'm sorry if you find what I have to say "intimidating" but, just to be clear, I don't find you or anything you have to say "intimidating" in the slightest so why would I be cowering in another corner of the forum with my tail between my legs? If I see something I don't agree with, or something that I find distasteful, I'm going to say so. You can accuse me of "bullying" all you want but the fact is, I don't need (nor do I even particularly want) numbers on my side. I have a negative opinion of you. A strongly negative opinion. I find your threads and posts to be agenda-driven and often racist. Now, I don't *expect* you to particularly care about that but it is what it is, and it seems that you do, because you are in fact the one with your "knickers in a twist" about "being insulted" when all people are being is honest in their reactions to your posts. That does not make me "a bully", or "attempting to humiliate you", and it is in fact YOU who are trying to shut down MY opinions by using such loaded terms.

[Vicky.]

Closing this. what a mess this thread is