[Cal.]

They could if they were the best.

(Makosi and Gina were but there was more support for Anthony/Eugene/Sam/Dexter)

[Ashley.]

If they're good, they're good, and people will vote for them.

Seems like, you can't really win on here. If a male wins, it's a lack of equality for females and if a female wins, but she's white, it's a lack of equality for black females.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

When BB finally gets one in without a vile attitude and who doesn't throw the race card every 5 minutes,maybe ...but not if they carry on with the types they put in every year

Sort of agree with this, apart from the race card thing. The show casts stereotypes that are usually disliked by the British public. Deborah was an exception to this and that's why she had so much support.

[chuff me dizzy]

When BB finally gets one in without a vile attitude and who doesn't throw the race card every 5 minutes,maybe ...but not if they carry on with the types they put in every year

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

When BB finally gets one in without a vile attitude and who doesn't throw the race card every 5 minutes,maybe

Ok posts like this actually prove Hayden's point.

And tbf, it didn't take much for you to throw the aggressive card at the sisters this year. Yet, other housemates weren't judged by the same standards.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ok posts like this actually prove Hayden's point.

And tbf, it didn't take much for you to throw the aggressive card at the sisters this year. Yet, other housemates weren't judged by the same standards.

The WERE aggressive that why i threw the card their way

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The WERE aggressive that why i threw the card their way

And as I said.... other housemates of other skin colours were not judged by the same standards.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

The WERE aggressive that why i threw the card their way

They were and it's nothing to do with skin colour.Deborah hurtling up those stairs like Linford Christy says it all.

[Cherie]

Oh but hilariously people who supported other Hms above Debs have voted no

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

They were and it's nothing to do with skin colour.Deborah hurtling up those stairs like Linford Christy says it all.

She should have been removed that night

[Marsh.]

The same "racist" public that got her to third place but they are full of so much HATRED for black woman they stopped at 1st place.

[reece(:]

Deborah would've won but the casuals didn't like her having the cultured accent.

[854]

I voted yes, because, I voted yes. I don't have to explain why.

But thinking realistically, no I have to be honest and say I don't think a black woman has a good chance at winning bbuk. I would love to eat my words, but I don't know.

I don't live in England, I live in America, but I can assume the same rules apply, and black people, let alone black women always get the short end of the stick in situations like that. I don't know. I was really certain that Deborah was going to win.

I know because I'm black and gay and understand.

Brian Belo who is a black man won when it was on Channel 4. But he was kinda normal and not what people expected of him. I don't know if Brian acted more like a chav or gangster he would have won. If he acted the way he did in the Time Warp task couple seasons ago, he would not have won. Or if he was in any other house that he probably would not have won. But even though Brian was black, he wasn't over the top and seemed normal. Also coupled with the fact Liam who I would say was in good standing to win didn't already win that task and win 100k, Brian I don't think would have won. I guess people didn't vote for the twins as they assumed they would win. The other people in the final were not deserving at all to be winners.

But going back, I think for a black female to win, she has to be different.

With black women it's hard to do that. They are always, ALWAYS, the diva, sista, sassy woman, and that's fine, and even though they are being themselves, for some reason, which in my own opinion might be related to racism, the viewers find that offensive.

I think the only exceptions to the rule is to find a black girl that isn't what we normally expect, and the closest we got was maybe Alison in BB4, Dawn in BB7, Sophia RIP in bb10, Ife in BB11, and Sam from BB16. Every other black girl has been the diva, sassy type which again there is nothing wrong with that, but for some reasons, the viewers don't like that. Well they might not hate her, but they won't vote her the winner. If she doesn't get on the other contestants nerves, she will make it to final and most likely get 4th place or so.

Other than that, she's most always the first or second one out.

So coupled with the fact she has to be different, she also just has to be lucky and be in final where the rest of the people aren't deserving to win.

Whereas someone white can just be themselves.

You have people like Helen, Chloe etc. who can do all types of crap and be voted winner. Yet a black girl has to be non controversial and different, and also just be lucky that the remaining people are hated, which lets face it, if they made it to the final week, it's tough.

So that's where I have to disagree, that it is based on race sometimes.

But I don't know, when you have an intruder white girl that wins, and a racist white gay trump supporter beating her to get runner up which Deborah should have gotten in the least, I don't want to think it's because she's black, but I don't know. It is because she's black. Wake up people. Smh.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by 854

I voted yes, because, I voted yes. I don't have to explain why.

But thinking realistically, no I have to be honest and say I don't think a black woman has a good chance at winning bbuk. I would love to eat my words, but I don't know.

I don't live in England, I live in America, but I can assume the same rules apply, and black people, let alone black women always get the short end of the stick in situations like that. I don't know. I was really certain that Deborah was going to win.

I know because I'm black and gay and understand.

Brian Belo who is a black man won when it was on Channel 4. But he was kinda normal and not what people expected of him. I don't know if Brian acted more like a chav or gangster he would have won. If he acted the way he did in the Time Warp task couple seasons ago, he would not have won. Or if he was in any other house that he probably would not have won. But even though Brian was black, he wasn't over the top and seemed normal. Also coupled with the fact Liam who I would say was in good standing to win didn't already win that task and win 100k, Brian I don't think would have won. I guess people didn't vote for the twins as they assumed they would win. The other people in the final were not deserving at all to be winners.

But going back, I think for a black female to win, she has to be different.

With black women it's hard to do that. They are always, ALWAYS, the diva, sista, sassy woman, and that's fine, and even though they are being themselves, for some reason, which in my own opinion might be related to racism, the viewers find that offensive.

I think the only exceptions to the rule is to find a black girl that isn't what we normally expect, and the closest we got was maybe Alison in BB4, Dawn in BB7, Sophia RIP in bb10, Ife in BB11, and Sam from BB16. Every other black girl has been the diva, sassy type which again there is nothing wrong with that, but for some reasons, the viewers don't like that. Well they might not hate her, but they won't vote her the winner. If she doesn't get on the other contestants nerves, she will make it to final and most likely get 4th place or so.

Other than that, she's most always the first or second one out.

So coupled with the fact she has to be different, she also just has to be lucky and be in final where the rest of the people aren't deserving to win.

Whereas someone white can just be themselves.

You have people like Helen, Chloe etc. who can do all types of crap and be voted winner. Yet a black girl has to be non controversial and different, and also just be lucky that the remaining people are hated, which lets face it, if they made it to the final week, it's tough.

So that's where I have to disagree, that it is based on race sometimes.

But I don't know, when you have an intruder white girl that wins, and a racist white gay trump supporter beating her to get runner up which Deborah should have gotten in the least, I don't want to think it's because she's black, but I don't know. It is because she's black. Wake up people. Smh.

I agree with you - Deborah was brilliant - it just depends who you are upagainst - Helen only won because she given a pass to the final - otherwise she would have been evicted by week 1/2

[Marsh.]

Is Issy a black woman?

[Captain.Remy]

Nah it's done for good this time.
Deborah was the one, loved by so many people and had the perfect journey and voice.

[Daniel-X]

I don't see why not

[854]

Also, people pay to vote to evict/save, vote to win.

You really think people are gonna pay to vote for a black girl to win? Wake the hell up, please.

All the reality shows here in America I don't think you have to pay to vote. Unless you're texting which if you have unlimited texting which everyone does, then it's free.

But in the UK that crap comes out of their pocket. So. There's that as well.

[Headie]

[Jian Yang]

Originally Posted by Hayden

Coming from the person who created them by bringing race into something race has no business in.

[Ant.]

I'd like to take this moment to appreciate Hayden and his support for Sue and the sisters this series

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

I'd like to take this moment to appreciate Hayden and his support for Sue and the sisters this series

[smudgie]

Yes, I think so.
Deborah came very close to it this series.
I really think Hannah could have had a lot to do with her not getting there.
That and the fact that she was up against such strong competition.
Raph and more so Issy were just too good to beat.

[bots]

James published the official voting % . Izzy blew away all the opposition with 50% of the vote .... everyone. The public voted for someone overwhelmingly because of her character and attitude. That's a fact.

Let me repeat, character and attitude is what wins BB

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Let me repeat, character and attitude is what wins BB

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Which is why 90% of the winners are devoid of any personality or character?

i disagree