[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ok lets go with only taxi drivers. Licensed ones.




Really? You would think so, but no.

Crunching some numbers again, since I am now in the mood.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...s-england-2015

84770 licensed taxi drivers in London

(35% of the total number of taxis in UK, which is 242,200)

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a3226396.html



Now, its important to note here that some of this data is...out of date as I couldn't find this years stats. Ie. These stats on rape and such are from 2014/2015/2016. Uber only fairly recently got to 40k drivers. But for the sake of this, we will pretend they always had the 40k drivers. The number of drivers is not really too relevant when looking at stuff like this...its the ratios.

So uber 32 in a year from 40k drivers.
Licensed cabs 141 a year from 85k drivers.

As number of drivers is over double that of uber, its only fair to divide the number of attacks to be comparing like with like. So say 70 attacks from 42.5k drivers. Take off a further 10% of attacks, simply as I do not want people to be all like (omg but you have more attacks by licensed safe people because there are 2.5k more of them in the stats). 10% off 70, leaves 63. 10% off 42.5k leaves 38,425 drivers. Which leaves us with

So uber 32 in a year
'Licensed cabs' 63 in a year. Nearly double.

Clearly more attacks among these 'safe' licensed cabs eh...

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If we assume that uber were included in these figures already, its even worse. So take off 40k uber drivers off for 'licensed cabs' leaving 45k. Also take off the confirmed reports for uber drivers. 109 attacks left.

109 rapes or sexual assaults between 45k 'safe and vetted' drivers.
V
32 rapes or sexual assaults between 40k 'dangerous' uber drivers.


Whichever way you crunch it, uber seem to be considerably more safe.


Any amount of sexual assault or rape among any amount of drivers is disgusting. I am not defending these vile people who committed these acts at all. Just proving a point that I didn't really need to prove but fancied messing about with as I am slightly high on my pain meds

Excellent analysis Vicky

I thought this opinion piece was quite interesting

Opinion: London’s Uber ban isn’t about safety, it’s about protecting unions

There are more sexual assaults in the Underground than in Uber cars

London’s Uber ban isn’t about safety, it’s about protecting unions

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Opinion: London’s Uber ban isn’t about safety, it’s about protecting unions

No kidding. Which party is Kahn from?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No kidding. Which party is Kahn from?

Labour, last time I looked

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So uber 32 in a year from 40k drivers.
Licensed cabs 141 a year from 85k drivers.

As number of drivers is over double that of uber, its only fair to divide the number of attacks to be comparing like with like. So say 70 attacks from 42.5k drivers. Take off a further 10% of attacks, simply as I do not want people to be all like (omg but you have more attacks by licensed safe people because there are 2.5k more of them in the stats). 10% off 70, leaves 63. 10% off 42.5k leaves 38,425 drivers. Which leaves us with

So uber 32 in a year
'Licensed cabs' 63 in a year. Nearly double.

Clearly more attacks among these 'safe' licensed cabs eh...
[/SIZE]

Vicky I'm sorry but I can't handle your maths!

All you need to do to scale this is;

(Total Uber / Total Other) x (Attacks by Other)

40 / 85 x 141

= 66 (.35)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Vicky I'm sorry but I can't handle your maths!

All you need to do to scale this is;

(Total Uber / Total Other) x (Attacks by Other)

40 / 85 x 141

= 66 (.35)

Maths was not my strongest subject at school, and I don't remember most of it

I was kind of off my tits on morphine and it was occupying me to try and sort it all out. Was close enough though by the looks of it

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I was kind of off my tits on morphine

''mmmmm........Morphine......'' (said in a Homer Simpson-esque drool). One of nature's greatest gifts to mankind.

Hope your health is okay Vicky.

[Withano]

Dumb. I don't think the ban will last long considering how many others agree. I've never used Uber before, but I definitely would do so before considering a taxi.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Withano

Dumb. I don't think the ban will last long considering how many others agree. I've never used Uber before, but I definitely would do so before considering a taxi.

You might but if you had daughters you might not

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You might but if you had daughters you might not

If those were the only 2 choices available I would?.. I'm not sure what you're implying?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Withano

If those were the only 2 choices available I would?.. I'm not sure what you're implying?

Uber London ban: The scandals that brought down the ride-hailing app

Sexual assault scandals and failure to vet drivers were major areas of concern, say Transport for London

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7961236.html

Freedom of Information data obtained by The Sun last year showed that the Metropolitan Police investigated 32 drivers for rape or sexual assault of a passenger between May 2015 and May 2016.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Uber London ban: The scandals that brought down the ride-hailing app

Sexual assault scandals and failure to vet drivers were major areas of concern, say Transport for London

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7961236.html

Freedom of Information data obtained by The Sun last year showed that the Metropolitan Police investigated 32 drivers for rape or sexual assault of a passenger between May 2015 and May 2016.

Why would me being a parent increase my chances of being sexually assaulted?

[DemolitionRed]

I never get a black cap in London as they are too expensive but I do sympathise with all London cabbies. I just looked up how much it would cost me to become a licenced London taxi driver. Just to get a TFL licence would set me back nearly £900 but that wouldn't include the cost of an enhanced DBS and a full medical.

Before I can get my TFL I need to pass a London knowledge test, both written and an appearance exam is required. Recommended study time for these exams is 4 years. I also have to have something called a character check.

Plates are often only available on the black market and can fetch anything up to 20k but no worries, I can hire a plate for £100 to £150 a week. Even if I take the lower end of that, I have to pay out £433 a month plus the running costs of my car and I've taken 4 years to get to the point of earning money.

Blow that. I can go to Uber and register online and be up and running without any checks. I've got a sat nav so who cares about road knowledge and I don't have to do any of the business side of things because Uber will just pay money into my account at the end of each week.

As far as health and safety is concerned, I'm not sure how they managed to slip through the net. Perhaps its because they aren't allowed to give loan under 18s a lift?

[Amy Jade]

This is such a poor decision. I use Uber a lot when I go to London and me and my friends go about 10 times a year, usually to concerts

We are all teenagers, we can't afford black cabs so as per this decision after we get off the tube we are pretty much being forced to walk to our hotel which can be quite far away. I am gutted they're doing this.

[Amy Jade]

To be completely honest you are at more risk of being raped by having to walk through the streets where any creep could be roaming around the next corner than you are getting in an uber where you are given the drivers details

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

To be completely honest you are at more risk of being raped by having to walk through the streets where any creep could be roaming around the next corner than you are getting in an uber where you are given the drivers details

Late at night perhaps but then no women should be walking about London late at night alone

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Late at night perhaps but then no women should be walking about London late at night alone

We might have to if Uber goes. We can't afford black cabs.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

We might have to if Uber goes. We can't afford black cabs.

Stay at home and save

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Stay at home and save

No.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Stay at home and save

The classic response.

You don't want to be burgled? Don't own a home or have any belongings.

You don't want to be raped? Don't show any skin in public.

People are getting attacked in the street? Stay at home.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Late at night perhaps but then no women should be walking about London late at night alone

Why

[Nick.]

Angie Bowie fuming?

[Kizzy]

in a 12 month period involving uber drivers only 32 is quite considerable, is pointless quoting stats the national average is irrelevant.

[Oliver_W]

To be fair I rarely feel safe in London at night, if I have to go somewhere more than a stone's throw from a tube station or a busy area, I bring, something

[Kizzy]

Were the assaults as quoted in the article specific to London though and the stats you have national? That might account for it.

That said I guess people who are vetted can go on to offend as opportunists, say with a vulnerable female, however to not vet the drivers at all is a dereliction of your responsibility as a responsible employer flouting guidelines on safeguarding.
That remains unchanged regardless.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Were the assaults as quoted in the article specific to London though and the stats you have national? That might account for it.

That said I guess people who are vetted can go on to offend as opportunists, say with a vulnerable female, however to not vet the drivers at all is a dereliction of your responsibility as a responsible employer flouting guidelines on safeguarding.
That remains unchanged regardless.

Nope, specific to London.