[lewis111]

So only 2 are eliminated each week? Or is it 1 from each Catagory?
Would be bad if them to put girls and groups together as they are the strongest so doubt they would do that

[supertv247]

Originally Posted by lewis111

So only 2 are eliminated each week? Or is it 1 from each Catagory?
Would be bad if them to put girls and groups together as they are the strongest so doubt they would do that

Mostly it will be 2 each week, which is twice as many as usual. Never mind the fact when they do have a double elimination (because there’s only 6 weeks) it’ll be 4 eliminated in one week....... it’s terrible

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by supertv247

Mostly it will be 2 each week, which is twice as many as usual. Never mind the fact when they do have a double elimination (because there’s only 6 weeks) it’ll be 4 eliminated in one week....... it’s terrible

Hmm that's not AS bad as one eliminated from each Catagory as I'm sure all the girls could get to at least like top 7 ish

[supertv247]

Originally Posted by lewis111

Hmm that's not AS bad as one eliminated from each Catagory as I'm sure all the girls could get to at least like top 7 ish

No, if there is a double elimination (which there will be) it WILL be one from each category

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by supertv247

No, if there is a double elimination (which there will be) it WILL be one from each category

But what if by the time they have say their 2nd there's only 1 group left which could happen - surely they just eliminate the 2 of the night that got the fewest votes even if it is 2 from the same Catagory?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by nobody

A less logical and less interesting live final format, I must watch this years x factor

Oh

[Marsh.]

But even if they did it the regular way, it's still terrible because the show is dead and stale.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But even if they did it the regular way, it's still terrible because the show is dead and stale.

Last year's live shows kept me interested - the normal format and the growth of he likes of Saara and the downfall of the likes of Emily make 10 weeks live shows from being boring

[Firewire]

Just cancel it now

[James]

It's the two-hour shows I can't really be bothered with. Sing-offs would probably make it feel even more drawn out. I guess they've also decided the acts won't have enough time to rehearse sing-off songs.

[Firewire]

It's absolutely NOT fair that certain categories will not compete against each other until week 5

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Firewire

It's absolutely NOT fair that certain categories will not compete against each other until week 5

I'm hoping they change it around but it probabaly wouldn't work numbers wise if one Catagory is still number strong and one has lost a few they would always have to go against each other

[James]

The judges don't have a say anymore in who goes, yeah?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by James

The judges don't have a say anymore in who goes, yeah?

When you put it like that it does seem to take away the difference that made X Factor unique to the "Idol" shows back when it started.

[Daniel-X]

Sounds horrific

[Headie]

[Jack_]

This is...the worst format they could've chosen axing the sing-off is CRIMINAL* cause it's the best part of the weekend, pitting two categories against one another is completely unfair, forcing one act to leave each category on occasion (a la The Voice, which is one of the many reasons why it ****ing sucks) is bogus because if all acts in a category are crap, they're crap. What on earth have they done? It's official, it's worse than 2015.

*Talking of Idol, I'm pretty sure the legal case that was brought against The X Factor in its early days determined that the two formats were distinct because of the sing-off (and the category divisions). Hope Simon Fuller is on the phone to his lawyers as we speak tbh xx

[Ross.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This is...the worst format they could've chosen axing the sing-off is CRIMINAL* cause it's the best part of the weekend, pitting two categories against one another is completely unfair, forcing one act to leave each category on occasion (a la The Voice, which is one of the many reasons why it ****ing sucks) is bogus because if all acts in a category are crap, they're crap. What on earth have they done? It's official, it's worse than 2015.

*Talking of Idol, I'm pretty sure the legal case that was brought against The X Factor in its early days determined that the two formats were distinct because of the sing-off (and the category divisions). Hope Simon Fuller is on the phone to his lawyers as we speak tbh xx

I love you

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Ross.

I love you

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This is...the worst format they could've chosen axing the sing-off is CRIMINAL* cause it's the best part of the weekend, pitting two categories against one another is completely unfair, forcing one act to leave each category on occasion (a la The Voice, which is one of the many reasons why it ****ing sucks) is bogus because if all acts in a category are crap, they're crap. What on earth have they done? It's official, it's worse than 2015.

*Talking of Idol, I'm pretty sure the legal case that was brought against The X Factor in its early days determined that the two formats were distinct because of the sing-off (and the category divisions). Hope Simon Fuller is on the phone to his lawyers as we speak tbh xx

Wait one per category is leaving each week I thought it was just the two with the lowest votes each week is gone

[Jack_]

A great group of finalists completely wasted as well

The most annoying thing about all of this is that everything about last series was perfect, apart from the finalists they chose. If they'd just looked at last year and gone 'hm, if Judges Houses hadn't been such a disaster maybe the lives would've done better', then we might've had some hope this time around because they've rectified that mistake this weekend. Instead they seem to think it's the actual live shows themselves that were the problem

Put these finalists in last year's series and you have one that's up there with 2008/2010/2012. I'm so gutted

[supertv247]

Originally Posted by Jack_

A great group of finalists completely wasted as well

The most annoying thing about all of this is that everything about last series was perfect, apart from the finalists they chose. If they'd just looked at last year and gone 'hm, if Judges Houses hadn't been such a disaster maybe the lives would've done better', then we might've had some hope this time around because they've rectified that mistake this weekend. Instead they seem to think it's the actual live shows themselves that were the problem

Put these finalists in last year's series and you have one that's up there with 2008/2010/2012. I'm so gutted

I COMPLETELY agree with everything you’ve said. Judges Houses ruined last series (for the best part) and that was all they had to correct this year. And they technically did! The final 12 are the best in a while AND they’re even making the public happier by giving us 4 acts we choose ourselves. Now put this on a normal 10 week format and it would be the best live shows since 2012. Instead we’re getting an absolute car crash of a mess...

Acts like Alexandra, Rebecca Ferguson, James, Little Mix, Fleur East and, most notably, Saara were not winners or even near that at the beginning of their own live shows yet because of the format they managed to grow and make the final and some of them did manage to win. None of them would’ve won on a format like this.

Louisa was a shoe in for the win in 2015, and because there were so little shows, it was all so predictable. We didn’t really get to know the acts as well as usual (which is partly why I believe she hasn’t been that successful since)

[Jack_]

From what I understood, if it's two leaving a week (one Saturday and one Sunday), it's whoever has the least votes each night. If it's four in a week (which will have to happen at least once), so two each night - then it'll be one from each category, or else a judge could conceivably lose two acts in one night.

Which is all kinds of unfair. If there's two crap acts in your category, they deserve to go. This is part of the reason why The Voice is so ****, because they insist[ed] (idk if they still do) on reducing the teams at an equal rate the lives are the worst part of that show and they're literally copying their format...tragic.

[Marsh.]

I don't see why it matters, the point of the show is to dwindle the numbers to one winner.

Does it really matter if, due to some technicality, a rubbish act in one category last 2 weeks longer than an ok act from another category? At the end of the day there is only one winner that will, debatably, be the "best" and most popular?

Do people pay that much attention to rankings apart from 3rd, 2nd and 1st?

[Jack_]

It matters in terms of creating an entertaining and engaging live show format, IMO. There were problems with the lives, absolutely, but the thing that makes X Factor better than The Voice is that you can get to know the acts over ten weeks and become invested in their journeys. 2015 proved that you can't over a shorter length of time, it was rushed, flat, and beyond predictable. This is even worse, how can acts develop when they're culling like four people in one week? It's tragic. Plus, the sing-off is without question the highlight of the weekend, if only for Louis' classic Deadlock dramas (the biggest loss tbh </3)

In terms of what else you said, under this format it is conceivable that one of the favourites could easily be lost in the one-act-from-each-category-leaves week if they have a bad night. Let's say that Grace or Holly has a bad performance and the other girls shine, meanwhile the fodder in the Boys category continue to underperform and would in a regular series be shoe-ins to leave in week 4. The former could end up being eliminated just because of a stupid arbitrary rule about keeping the categories at equal numbers, while the latter get to float on through just because it's completely unfair.