[Headie]

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Hayden

This part is tragic though</3

[RileyH]

isn't Issy a fan of the show as well? I remember her saying stuff about it

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by RileyHollyoaks

isn't Issy a fan of the show as well? I remember her saying stuff about it

Yeah, but I don’t think she is to the extent to Raph and us are

[Lush]

That's devastating if true. Issy and Chanelle were such a strong duo and I loved their friendship

[Lush]

Raph also shaded Issy on here a while back and many of us picked up on it.

I wonder what happened?

[Macie Lightfoot]

I mean he's clearly still mad he lost to her.

[Morgan.]

Issy strikes me as a casual viewer tbh (doesn't go out of her way to watch an episode but if it's on will watch) whereas Raph and Debs obviously watch every episode, or at least try to.

[Daniel.]

When will Raph realise he lost because he was dull and not because he is apparently a ‘person of colour’

[Jordan.]

If I was Deborah I'd honestly be offended at a rich white trump voting male considering themselves as "cursed" as me.

[Macie Lightfoot]

yeah like a well-groomed, well-to-do rich guy who is half (?) Asian thinking his BBUK Winner fate was sealed just as much as the young black girl who talked in the DR exclusively in A Black Accent is absurd. And like, for being such a ~gameplayer~... Isabelle won bc she played the best game whether she knew it or not.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

yeah like a well-groomed, well-to-do rich guy who is half (?) Asian thinking his BBUK Winner fate was sealed just as much as the young black girl who talked in the DR exclusively in A Black Accent is absurd. And like, for being such a ~gameplayer~... Isabelle won bc she played the best game whether she knew it or not.

This. And Isabelle remains unbothered. I always say with these shows, I don't actually care if a housemate is fake in the house or putting on an act and are totally different on the outside world, if I liked you on the TV show and you were popular and won because of it, you played an amazing game and came up with a good character so props to you.

[Jason.]

I've never really understood the whole 'defying the odds' thing when someone like Isabelle is far more representative of the least-winning archetype on this show than someone like Raph (or any other male for that matter.) Women in general, especially sexually-confident women always have and always will get the shit end of the stick on Big Brother. Heck, the fact both Isabelle and Savannah were topping the votes against the entire house when they were only in there for a week pretty much tells you all you need to know about this show.

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I've never really understood the whole 'defying the odds' thing when someone like Isabelle is far more representative of the least-winning archetype on this show than someone like Raph (or any other male for that matter.) Women in general, especially sexually-confident women always have and always will get the shit end of the stick on Big Brother. Heck, the fact both Isabelle and Savannah were topping the votes against the entire house when they were only in there for a week pretty much tells you all you need to know about this show.

Comments like these make me wonder why the forum still doesn't have a like button

[Denver]

Raph as confirmed he is bitter

[Jack_]

People on here are weird, of course he's going to be bitter he didn't win. Most of you would be too if you came within an inch of winning £100k and/or your favourite show

I don't agree with his theories of why he thinks he lost, but I still understand why he's disappointed

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People on here are weird, of course he's going to be bitter he didn't win. Most of you would be too if you came within an inch of winning £100k and/or your favourite show

I don't agree with his theories of why he thinks he lost, but I still understand why he's disappointed

But you dont turn on the winner who you claim is a friend

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Adam.

But you dont turn on the winner who you claim is a friend

Why not? How do you, I, or anyone else on this forum know exactly what has happened between the three of them? All we know of them is the 48 minutes a night we watched over the summer, we don't know them as people (well, a few do) or what they're like in their real lives...pretty difficult to surmise who's in the right and who's in the wrong.

Winning Big Brother is not a prerequisite to 'I must like this person forever'.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Why not? How do you, I, or anyone else on this forum know exactly what has happened between the three of them? All we know of them is the 48 minutes a night we watched over the summer, we don't know them as people (well, a few do) or what they're like in their real lives...pretty difficult to surmise who's in the right and who's in the wrong.

Winning Big Brother is not a prerequisite to 'I must like this person forever'.

Yepp. Big brother ended months ago and they were fine post-bb for weeks, it’s only recently this happened so something might have happened but we will never know, if raph turned on her for beating him he would have done it straight after BB and not months later. We will have to wait and see if they spill

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Jack_

People on here are weird, of course he's going to be bitter he didn't win. Most of you would be too if you came within an inch of winning £100k and/or your favourite show

I don't agree with his theories of why he thinks he lost, but I still understand why he's disappointed

I mean, I think there's a huge difference in attitudes between "man, I really wish I won. I'm a huge fan of BBUK so it would have been nice" and "Deborah and I know why we didn't win we were screwed from the get-go for reasons." It's just not a good look when you're still making excuses for why you lost months later instead of just realizing that Isabelle played a better game. Whether or not it's intentional, it's almost like he's trying to undermine her win and imply that she only won because she's white.

[Jodie.]

If Isabelle was a black gal would she still have won? I actually think yes

I have detected Issy SHADE for so long and I WANT to know why

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I mean, I think there's a huge difference in attitudes between "man, I really wish I won. I'm a huge fan of BBUK so it would have been nice" and "Deborah and I know why we didn't win we were screwed from the get-go for reasons." It's just not a good look when you're still making excuses for why you lost months later instead of just realizing that Isabelle played a better game. Whether or not it's intentional, it's almost like he's trying to undermine her win and imply that she only won because she's white.

Like I said, I don't agree with his reasoning at all, but totally understand why someone in his position would feel disappointed, bitter, even resentful and would start trying to rationalise (or irrationalise) the reasons why they didn't win. I think the large majority of people on here would be the same if they'd just lost out on £100k, and that's why I'm not understanding all the 'omg he's so bitter!' posts...that should go without saying, especially if the person who beat you is someone you now dislike.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

I mean, I think there's a huge difference in attitudes between "man, I really wish I won. I'm a huge fan of BBUK so it would have been nice" and "Deborah and I know why we didn't win we were screwed from the get-go for reasons." It's just not a good look when you're still making excuses for why you lost months later instead of just realizing that Isabelle played a better game. Whether or not it's intentional, it's almost like he's trying to undermine her win and imply that she only won because she's white.

I don't really see how this is different to the many many posters who claim that people won't win because they aren't white. Every year we get it. Raph (from memory) has spoke about this before.

I kind of feel like if it had been anyone but Isabelle winning, the usual 'its just because they are white!!!' excuses would be used here. Its just as Isabelle was so popular with the forum that this 'curse' thing is being ridiculed now Its been said for years and year, and everytime theres a winner that some posters dislike...its used.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Anyway I just love that Issy is paying all their indirects DUST

Loool same

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't really see how this is different to the many many posters who claim that people won't win because they aren't white. Every year we get it. Raph (from memory) has spoke about this before.

I kind of feel like if it had been anyone but Isabelle winning, the usual 'its just because they are white!!!' excuses would be used here. Its just as Isabelle was so popular with the forum that this 'curse' thing is being ridiculed now Its been said for years and year, and everytime theres a winner that some posters dislike...its used.

This member does have a personal issue with raph btw

But exactly raph isn’t the only one to do it and it wasn’t hardly an issue but why is it an issue now :s