[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How rude, you don't know me Livia.

You don't know, or like me either. It is what it is.

[arista]

The Former Director
has had his Bonus Stopped for good.

https://news.sky.com/story/carillion...opped-11211292

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

The Former Director
has had his Bonus Stopped for good.

https://news.sky.com/story/carillion...opped-11211292

Good move, endless more needed.
Glad a fuss was made to ensure this bonus was stopped.

[AnnieK]

I have spoken to many, many Carillion workers over the last few days who are desperately looking for new roles. On my LinkedIn network, there are offers of help to them from companies, agencies alike and that is heartening to see, the desperation from some of the people I have spoken to is heartbreaking, it is still early days for them but panic has set in.

Whatever way this is spun, once again the losers are the workers who have put an honest days work in for an honest days pay, I don't really care what the government / investors / etc etc has or hasn't done, my immediate concern is with the 1000s of families now and hope there is some way in which they don't get added to the bottom of the list when sorting the cluster **** out

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have spoken to many, many Carillion workers over the last few days who are desperately looking for new roles. On my LinkedIn network, there are offers of help to them from companies, agencies alike and that is heartening to see, the desperation from some of the people I have spoken to is heartbreaking, it is still early days for them but panic has set in.

Whatever way this is spun, once again the losers are the workers who have put an honest days work in for an honest days pay, I don't really care what the government / investors / etc etc has or hasn't done, my immediate concern is with the 1000s of families now and hope there is some way in which they don't get added to the bottom of the list when sorting the cluster **** out

Of course it has homes will be at risk, most of us are only 3 wage slips from oblivion as it is... This is a national scandal and as per the attempt is to sweep it under the carpet, avoid accountability and as seen on PMQs attempt to blame Leeds city council! As chunkymark would say, YOU WHAT!!??

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Of course it has homes will be at risk, most of us are only 3 wage slips from oblivion as it is... This is a national scandal and as per the attempt is to sweep it under the carpet, avoid accountability and as seen on PMQs attempt to blame Leeds city council! As chunkymark would say, YOU WHAT!!??

Deflection is an art for politicians.
However Leeds council DIDN'T sign any contract with them as Corbyn stated when Mrs May tried to deflect from truth to cover her own govts. ineptitude.

Well done to you for how you deal with such deflections too Kizzy.
I think it very revealing when attacks on a person are made rather than who or what are really to blame.
Good for you and all well said by you too.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I have spoken to many, many Carillion workers over the last few days who are desperately looking for new roles. On my LinkedIn network, there are offers of help to them from companies, agencies alike and that is heartening to see, the desperation from some of the people I have spoken to is heartbreaking, it is still early days for them but panic has set in.

Whatever way this is spun, once again the losers are the workers who have put an honest days work in for an honest days pay, I don't really care what the government / investors / etc etc has or hasn't done, my immediate concern is with the 1000s of families now and hope there is some way in which they don't get added to the bottom of the list when sorting the cluster **** out

I think we have to consider both sides to this coin.

Yes, its terrible for the workers, though the contracts will be put out to tender and the likelihood of continuing within another company on a familiar project is quite high.
Different for the pensioners. All this limited liability has made sure they are going to suffer the consequences.

The other side of the coin is the corruption and that is something we should all be taking seriously because its not just Carillion that are setting up vast business empires on limited liability. The more our government encourages unfettered markets, the more we move away from being a democratic country. Democracy requires rules and guidelines that restrict the power of money. If they don't do that, then its open to corruption and with corruption comes stagnation and economy crashes. Carillion just fell out of the void thats been created by neoliberalism, a government who has massive monopolies working for the few, not the many. Its important, crucial in fact that we understand why this happened and so although we could spend our time talking about all the poor sods caught up in the fallout, its not the only thing we should be discussing.

[DemolitionRed]

And Kizzy, thank you for bringing this topic up on here, though its sad it can't be discussed without you being 'once again' attacked. I'm so sick of seeing people on here baying for your blood when all you are attempting to do is put your views forward and you do that with intelligence btw. I, like Joey, have your back (though I know your a toughie and don't need us!) You are a lot more restrained than I am but that's why I sometimes have to take a break from this place... it gets depressing.