[Epic.]

Watching it now. What a prick. Can't understand how anyone can support him after that.

[poppsywoppsy]

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

Ok cool but he's still homophobic

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Ok cool but he's still homophobic

Oh dear, oh dear, please read it again.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh dear, oh dear, please read it again.

I Did! John is a homophobe

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

I Did! John is a homophobe

He is a creature of his upbringing, just as you are.

Names and labels won't change anything.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Can I just put my spin on Johns comments.

The older generation were brought up to view homosexuality as wrong in the mildest sense and shocking in a stronger sense.

This younger generation have been brought up in a world where sexual preferences are acceptable.

Then, if the younger generation are told in the far future that their views they hold now are not correct and they must change their views immediately or get called every phobic name under the sun if they don't.

This is what the older generation are facing in today's world. How hard do you think it is to go against the grounding, teaching and cultures they were brought up with.

When the older generation passes away, so will the perceptions but until then, understanding and tolerance will make bigger inroads than name calling and attaching labels.

This is my way of explaining where John was coming from.

I think this is making excuses for him. This is more to do with his individual opinions than a generational thing. There are plenty of people older than John who have more enlightened views, and John has grown up in a time when he should be more aware.

I'm really surprised at John. Had the conversation been about passing such judgements on someone due to outdated views on race, he would have (quite rightly) been disgusted and people wouldn't be making excuses for those views on the grounds of age.

[Beso]

I have been flattered to have been chatted up by gay men. I dont understand where john was coming from.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I have been flattered to have been chatted up by gay men. I dont understand where john was coming from.

He didn't want, like or ask for it, that's where he was coming from.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

He didn't want, like or ask for it, that's where he was coming from.

I can see that argument if he were a woman getting unwanted advances from a bloke, but hes a big bloke and shouldnt feel threatened...so why he feels so intolerent now, at this age shouldbt be put down to the way it was percieved in his youth....especially not when he used to get all greased up before daintily parading about the pitch in the shortest tightest shorts legally allowed in public in those days..the blokes a hypocrite.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I can see that argument if he were a woman getting unwanted advances from a bloke, but hes a big bloke and shouldnt feel threatened...so why he feels so intolerent now, at this age shouldbt be put down to the way it was percieved in his youth....especially not when he used to get all greased up before daintily parading about the pitch in the shortest tightest shorts legally allowed in public in those days..the blokes a hypocrite.

John has preached in previous episodes though about gender, sexuality doesn't mean a thing to him.

His comments that Andrew could only be invited to his (what I'm assuming is a BBQ in his back garden) if he didn't sleep with johnny was just ****ing ridiculous.

[Ant.]

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen

[RileyH]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Me: Hi I don't like it when anyone who isnt white speaks to me because I didn't ask them to.
Someone: y did u say that?
Me: I'm aware of it but I was raised racist but you can't label me that! Soz hen

[poppsywoppsy]

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

He has a right to say what he wants but equally we have a right to critique him

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

He has a right to say what he wants but equally we have a right to critique him

No tolerance from you then, yet you want him to be tolerant. Hypocritical much?

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So you are saying John has no right to say or think he doesn't want to be hit on by a Gay man.

Surely he has every right to decide how his life should be.

If he does no harm or instigate anything against the Gay community, surely he can think what he likes.

Since when has there been thought police.

Since now! Mr Barnes I'm arresting you for thinking homophobic thoughts. You have the right to not think. Anything you do think can and will be used against you in a court of law.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

Since now! Mr Barnes I'm arresting you for thinking homophobic thoughts. You have the right to not think. Anything you do think can and will be used against you in a court of law.

So if we are being silly JB can say to the police they are racist for thinking he is black.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

So if we are being silly JB can say to the police they are racist for thinking he is black.

No, because we aren't being silly. But realistically yes

[Lilac hills]

R u baiting I can’t tell

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilac hills

R u baiting I can’t tell

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

people: yikes John is homophobic!
you: YIKES that's... really intolerant? If you want him to yknow.... not be homophobic.... maybe you should... not say he's homophobic? just a thought sweaties! :^) Anyway I'm gonna carry on telling yall why John thinks like that even though he explained why he thinks like he does on the show. anyway John was raised in a different time and is aware that he's flawed in his way of thinking yet shown no remorse or attempt to hold back with what he said but J'EXCUSED because he's froma few generations ago !

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Lilbro

people: yikes John is homophobic!
you: YIKES that's... really intolerant? If you want him to yknow.... not be homophobic.... maybe you should... not say he's homophobic? just a thought sweaties! :^) Anyway I'm gonna carry on telling yall why John thinks like that even though he explained why he thinks like he does on the show. anyway John was raised in a different time and is aware that he's flawed in his way of thinking yet shown no remorse or attempt to hold back with what he said but J'EXCUSED because he's froma few generations ago !

Perhaps after reading your post, I was expecting too much

Sweetie!!!!! yall

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

No, I am just trying to say where Johns views are coming from and why.

I feel that there should be tolerance on both sides, so many are calling John names but showing little tolerance whilst doing so.

What he said was literally intolerant

To expect tolerance in return is by definition hypocritical