[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

((hugs)) sadly on forums come varying opinions and not all of them kind just know some of us don't think it should be tolerated all I can say is I can't wait for Ann to get off my TV

Thank you Sue I really appreciate your post. I was beginning to think all the posters on here were at***les xxx

[Crimson Dynamo]

how far do the two wankers shane and andrew want to go?

Do they think sucking each others dicks in the living area is wrong - im sure they do

how about snogging - in sure they would agree that isnt good either

for them to somehow think that EVERYONE in the house sings off the same hymn sheet as they do is arrogance beyond belief

Their immature sniggering when Ann was nominating was nauseating - both need to get a proper job, a proper relationship and grow up and stop being teenagers


pathetic

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how far do the two wankers shane and andrew want to go?

Do they think sucking each others dicks in the living area is wrong - im sure they do

how about snogging - in sure they would agree that isnt good either

for them to somehow think that EVERYONE in the house sings off the same hymn sheet as they do is arrogance beyond belief

Their immature sniggering when Ann was nominating was nauseating - both need to get a proper job, a proper relationship and grow up and stop being teenagers


pathetic

By what Ann said in her nom theres been a lot of filth talk going on too ,and don't forget the little trip to the loo where Berty Big Bollox told Barbie not to get lipstick on him !!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What is clear to me about Ann is that she is not comfortable viewing other peoples displays of affection and physical touching and sexualised play. This isn't' specific to men with men, it's any people. CBB is a television show but at the moment Ann is living inside it and she is fully allowed to feel this way and to be uncomfortable. That isn't a crime, she isn't hurting anyone else.

My own grandmother was the same, she didn't like you draping all over each other in her presence. She wouldn't have wanted to watch me kissing anyone or lap sitting or anything like that. I think this discomfort stemmed from her own life and being raised at a time when people didn't display public affection.

In 2018 we have almost shifted to the other end of the spectrum when you look at shows like Geordie Shore where people have a lot of casual sex on tv. Even BB and CBB have been all about the showmances, and people jumping into bed together.

In some ways Ann's disapproval comes from a different time when moral standards were different but it does make you wonder if society has gone a bit far in the wrong direction with this. Maybe to a degree she has a point. We have almost become immune to the degree of sexuality we are viewing on TV.

If I'm honest I watch BB for the drams and I enjoy seeing the social experiment side to it which has had a wonderful reboot in this years show. But I can't say I really enjoy seeing some Towie/Geordie bird with her tits out or Wayne Sleep's todger. I'd be mortified if I was watching one of my kids behaving in the same way. I'm not even a prude but it isn't what keeps me interested and it's not what I watch for so I can kind of understand Ann to a point not wanting to watch all that stuff, particularly live and right in front of her.

I think a lot of the people criticising her are on the wrong track and a lot of people are influenced by what they've read about her long past voting inclinations in her job as an MP. Even there some of the influence is without the context of her reasoning behind how she voted at the time. She doesn't have an ism or a phobia, she is old fashioned and the product of a different generation.

I know if my nan or granddad saw some of the things they show on TV now ,they would be spinning in their graves, my mom was brought up quite strictly , she wasn't allowed a bath when she had a period as it was deemed unclean , two people of the same sex kissing was never seen and would have been frowned upon , she could not wear short skirts, show any desire for pop stars etc,they were lovely people apparently,she loved them they were kind and looked after her well,but very strict especially sex wise,lots of people were like that then,Ann is no different infact she is probably a bit more liberal,but to try and label her with some of the names on here is stupid,she is just of a different generation, not everyone is comfy with watching other people fawn about over each other, she has never been nasty to anyone in the house,she has her opinions airs them and that's it,if they get butt hurt by it that their problem.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I know if my nan or granddad saw some of the things they show on TV now ,they would be spinning in their graves, my mom was brought up quite strictly , she wasn't allowed a bath when she had a period as it was deemed unclean , two people of the same sex kissing was never seen and would have been frowned upon , she could not wear short skirts, show any desire for pop stars etc,they were lovely people apparently,she loved them they were kind and looked after her well,but very strict especially sex wise,lots of people were like that then,Ann is no different infact she is probably a bit more liberal,but to try and label her with some of the names on here is stupid,she is just of a different generation, not everyone is comfy with watching other people fawn about over each other, she has never been nasty to anyone in the house,she has her opinions airs them and that's it,if they get butt hurt by it that their problem.

This is how i was brought up too and by God its a better way that how a lot of people are dragged up now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ashley and Elgin did not do that to wind Ann up and THAT is the difference

Shane J and Andrew think they are superior to Ann because their "views" are that of the perceived majority and being immature they think this allows them to hate on her.

Shane started the show as a wise head on young shoulders but sadly the veil slipped and he is a nasty bigot and woman hater like Andrew

[joeysteele]

My Grandmother,both of them,were totally different to Ann.
They loved to see younger people enjoying themselves and having fun.

Even into her 80s my Mum's Mother loved family events and often sat nearer where the D J was.

Just before I was 5 I recall her saying to one of my cousins that my cousin was out of date,as my cousin hated Breathe by the Prodigy,which my Grandmother predicted would make number one in the charts.

Maybe we were very lucky to have such open and tolerant Grandparents, who believed life is short and for living, anyway you wanted to legally.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My Grandmother,both of them,were totally different to Ann.
They loved to see younger people enjoying themselves and having fun.

Even into her 80s my Mum's Mother loved family events and often sat nearer where the D J was.

Just before I was 5 I recall her saying to one of my cousins that my cousin was out of date,as my cousin hated Breathe by the Prodigy,which my Grandmother predicted would make number one in the charts.

Maybe we were very lucky to have such open and tolerant Grandparents, who believed life is short and for living, anyway you wanted to legally.

superb post thank you

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My Grandmother,both of them,were totally different to Ann.
They loved to see younger people enjoying themselves and having fun.

Even into her 80s my Mum's Mother loved family events and often sat nearer where the D J was.

Just before I was 5 I recall her saying to one of my cousins that my cousin was out of date,as my cousin hated Breathe by the Prodigy,which my Grandmother predicted would make number one in the charts.

Maybe we were very lucky to have such open and tolerant Grandparents, who believed life is short and for living, anyway you wanted to legally.

I came out as a Gay man in about 1975 when in my early 20s. My Gran was totally OK with it and she was born in the early 1900s. When I first went out with my now husband in 1978 and visited my Gran she was more than happy to let us sleep in the spare room together. She had no issues at all with us being Gay. Thus, the excuses being made about Ann's age as an excuse for her bigotry and homophobia really doesn't hold, sorry. She is what she is: a bigot and a homophobe!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

I came out as a Gay man in about 1975 when in my early 20s. My Gran was totally OK with it and she was born in the early 1900s. When I first went out with my now husband in 1978 and visited my Gran she was more than happy to let us sleep in the spare room together. She had no issues at all with us being Gay. Thus, the excuses being made about Ann's age as an excuse for her bigotry and homophobia really doesn't hold, sorry. She is what she is: a bigot and a homophobe!

That's a lovely post to read.
Thanks for sharing it.

I am so glad you got a good experience when you needed to


You are right,it is wrong to tolerate bigotry and homophobia.
It sends the wrong signals to the bigot and homophobe,that their view has foundation to it.

Lovely post from you,I am only 25 but I know the 70s too was not the easiest times for the gay communities and as to rights.

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's a lovely post to read.
Thanks for sharing it.

I am so glad you got a good experience when you needed to


You are right,it is wrong to tolerate bigotry and homophobia.
It sends the wrong signals to the bigot and homophobe,that their view has foundation to it.

Lovely post from you,I am only 25 but I know the 70s too was not the easiest times for the gay communities and as to rights.

Thank you very much too for your response which is heartening. I am though appalled at the level of tolerance given to Ann along with all the excuses about age etc. It's shameful. Good to know though that there are still younger people like yourself who are more accepting.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Thank you very much too for your response which is heartening. I am though appalled at the level of tolerance given to Ann along with all the excuses about age etc. It's shameful. Good to know though that there are still younger people like yourself who are more accepting.

Seriously, you need to get over yourself.

That's about the 5th post now saying you're "appalled at the level of tolerance". Do you now see the irony in that???

How about if I said "I'm appalled at the level of tolerance for gay people"???

Tolerance works both ways.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

I came out as a Gay man in about 1975 when in my early 20s. My Gran was totally OK with it and she was born in the early 1900s. When I first went out with my now husband in 1978 and visited my Gran she was more than happy to let us sleep in the spare room together. She had no issues at all with us being Gay. Thus, the excuses being made about Ann's age as an excuse for her bigotry and homophobia really doesn't hold, sorry. She is what she is: a bigot and a homophobe!

No excuses are being made and good for you your gran was so accepting but not everyones was,that is a fact , people have different views on things ,simple as,I do not see her as homophobic or a bigot just some one with very strict traditions and a strict upbringing, I know my grandparents believed in a man and woman being married and having a family even divorce was frowned upon then, a man and a woman 'fit' they were brought up in a different time and generation and because everything is so in our faces now and anything goes does not automatically make it right,some people seem to have a massive chip on their shoulders about what we should and shouldn't like,just let people be.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

I came out as a Gay man in about 1975 when in my early 20s. My Gran was totally OK with it and she was born in the early 1900s. When I first went out with my now husband in 1978 and visited my Gran she was more than happy to let us sleep in the spare room together. She had no issues at all with us being Gay. Thus, the excuses being made about Ann's age as an excuse for her bigotry and homophobia really doesn't hold, sorry. She is what she is: a bigot and a homophobe!

You miss the point

Your Gran loves you as Andrews does but would she like to see you both rolling around the floor, sexually aroused?

It is the exhibitioning Ann doesn't like. There was no need to do this, they were doing it for the cameras in a public area.

If they were doing it in private, nothing would have been said.

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

You miss the point

Your Gran loves you as Andrews does but would she like to see you both rolling around the floor, sexually aroused?

It is the exhibitioning Ann doesn't like. There was no need to do this, they were doing it for the cameras in a public area.

If they were doing it in private, nothing would have been said.

What everybody seems to have missed is that Ann actually said she hates the theatric nature of it.

In other words she has sussed out that it's all an act between Andrew and Shortney.

I think it's gas people trying to claim homophobia against Andrew who isn't even gay. Like WTF??? He's an arsehole and we're not allowed say this because he's mates with a drag queen?

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Paula D

What everybody seems to have missed is that Ann actually said she hates the theatric nature of it.

In other words she has sussed out that it's all an act between Andrew and Shortney.

I think it's gas people trying to claim homophobia against Andrew who isn't even gay. Like WTF??? He's an arsehole and we're not allowed say this because he's mates with a drag queen?

No One missed it (but ty for the heads up! )

Ann also admitted that ashley is playing a game..

Andrew always struck me as open minded in regards to most things even if his antics are not always appreciated at least he isn't anti same sex marriage etc (like ann) so its swings n roundabouts wrong doings from ann and andrew ...

I have zero problem with anyone having gay straight short tall fat thin red white blue etc friends

Act or not its been fun to watch without their antics it would have been biccies n coco or 1 hour a day of 'i'm a woman' / 'don't misgender me!' or perhaps hours of wayne tap dancing.. or johnny smoking.. or daniel trying to pretend he is not a foul mouthed eejit.. etc so yes I enjoyed and chuckled my old bits n bobs off when andrew dressed in drag and taped his zipedeedoodah up and took the tape off in shower much to the amusement of shane .. outside shower lol

Do i want andrew to win .. no would i like shane j to win (i did but he seems to have changed) got quieter much like ashley & g he seems to have been sucked into hugging Andrew.. and that's as entertaining as it gets pitty really..
but I won't start disliking them just cos everyone else is

[Ashley.]

I think Ann just needs to mind her own business.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

I think Ann just needs to mind her own business.

I like her but she has been allowed too much free reign.

She actually,I think,maybe thinks she is even running this series.
If this series were longer,that likely attitude would ruin the series.

As it is,it's ruined now with the most stupid thing of holding a triple eviction with only 4 housemates.
I kind of wish they had all just nominated 3 housemates and not 4.
Save people watching time and money.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I like her bit she has been allowed too much free reign.

She actually,I think,maybe thinks she is even running this series.
If this series were longer,that likely attitude would ruin the series.

As it is,it's ruined now with the most stupid thing of holding a triple eviction with only 4 housemates.
I kind of wish they had all just nominated 3 housemates and not 4.
Save people watching time and money.

She's definitely had quite a bit of an impact in there. I don't think it's right for anyone to have such a strong presence that they're limiting what anybody else can do or say. At that point you really just have to look at yourself and think about what you're doing wrong.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

She's definitely had quite a bit of an impact in there. I don't think it's right for anyone to have such a strong presence that they're limiting what anybody else can do or say. At that point you really just have to look at yourself and think about what you're doing wrong.

This is where you are missing the point of the social experiment. That Ann has an impact on the behaviour of others is part of what is fascinating. If we want to watch drunks throwing their tits about and such we can watch that any year. Or watch G Shore.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This is where you are missing the point of the social experiment. That Ann has an impact on the behaviour of others is part of what is fascinating. If we want to watch drunks throwing their tits about and such we can watch that any year. Or watch G Shore.

[Ashley.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

This is where you are missing the point of the social experiment. That Ann has an impact on the behaviour of others is part of what is fascinating. If we want to watch drunks throwing their tits about and such we can watch that any year. Or watch G Shore.

Oh of course it's fascinating, I never said it wasn't. But I don't think I'm under any obligation to agree with the way she acts.

[-Sue-]

I do think if Ann had been kicked out weeks ago it would have been a whole different show her opinions/views do seem to have stopped a lot of banter/fun whatever you want to call it... not sure people stop out of respect/fear

but then if India was still there instead of Ann would we STILL be listening to 'misgendering/im a woman!' speeches on a twice daily basis

[reece(:]

Because she's never been touched herself? A trigger?

[Kazanne]

Some people are tactile others aren't it's not a phobia just the was we humans are.