[Livia]

Originally Posted by Greg!

How dare "the males" have an opinion on feminism which is supposed to mean equality for all genders. A disgrace!

And then they get all hissy and talk about "equality", like it's something men haven't experienced! It's hilarious!

You can have an opinion. But you can't tell women what our opinion ought to be.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Livia

And then they get all hissy and talk about "equality", like it's something men haven't experienced! It's hilarious!

You can have an opinion. But you can't tell women what our opinion ought to be.

No one is telling you how you have to feel? Men can have opinions on what is and isn't feminism too?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

And then they get all hissy and talk about "equality", like it's something men haven't experienced! It's hilarious!

You can have an opinion. But you can't tell women what our opinion ought to be.

As a gay male I have indeed experienced inequality. But then it's not a competition, is it?

Where on earth have I "told women what their opinion ought to be."

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Greg!

As a gay male I have indeed experienced inequality. But then it's not a competition, is it?

Where on earth have I "told women what their opinion ought to be."

I'm Jewish, I've experienced all kinds of crap. But that's not what we're talking about here, is it. Like you say, it's not a competition.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Greg!

How dare "the males" have an opinion on feminism which is supposed to mean equality for all genders. A disgrace!

Agreed. Need to get off the telling women what to do perch.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Greg!

How dare "the males" have an opinion on feminism which is supposed to mean equality for all genders. A disgrace!

They can have an opinion on feminism but to think their opinion can be better informed than actual women who have experienced sexism is a disgrace.

[lewis111]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They can have an opinion on feminism but to think their opinion can be better informed than actual women who have experienced sexism is a disgrace.

Saying this is true, what about all the members claiming gays don't face inequality anymore in 2018? Isn't that just as bad or even worse

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They can have an opinion on feminism but to think their opinion can be better informed than actual women who have experienced sexism is a disgrace.

Ok but where has anyone said that

[Jamie89]

Drag isn't about parodying women, it's about parodying and exploring gender stereotypes/social constructs. And it works both ways, drag queens and drag kings.

[lewis111]

Courntey is clearly a feminist and the fact she wears female clothes doesn't change that
Ann is more difficult to define as she believes that men and women should be equal, but also believes the already are so I doubt she would class herself as a feminist

[Jack_]

You know what I'm looking forward to? Pointing out to the 'mansplaining' complainers today (who, to be fair, do have a point to a certain extent - I'm aware of the irony here btw!) every instance in future in which they pass judgement and comment on an instance of social exclusion or discrimination that they would have no experience of. Because it'll definitely happen.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You know what I'm looking forward to? Pointing out to the 'mansplaining' complainers today (who, to be fair, do have a point to a certain extent - I'm aware of the irony here btw!) every instance in future in which they pass judgement and comment on an instance of social exclusion or discrimination that they would have no experience of. Because it'll definitely happen.

At least you are honest Jack.

[lewis111]

So, Livia, do you believe that Courtney/Shane J isn't a feminist? (Just curious)

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

http://www.feministcurrent.com/2014/...btq-community/

Came across this and have to agree with much of it. Gay Drag queens such as ShaneJ claim to believe in feminism and to deplore ‘ists’ but aren’t their words a complete contradiction to their actions. It seems to me that parodying women the way they do speaks volumes about how they really see women.

Arent you anti-abortion? Who are you (in all seriousness) to comment on feminism.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Arent you anti-abortion? Who are you (in all seriousness) to comment on feminism.

Who are you?

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Who are you?

An icon!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Who are you?

He's a man, with all the rights and entitlements that brings.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Arent you anti-abortion? Who are you (in all seriousness) to comment on feminism.

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

Anyone is allowed to be a feminist... someone against their rights isnt though imo.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

I'm going to get sore hands clapping you today Livia. You are on fire!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm going to get sore hands clapping you today Livia. You are on fire!

Big claps from me too.

[Greg!]

Originally Posted by Livia

I rest my case.

Withano telling a woman who is allowed to be a feminist, and what you must believe if you are.

As a mere man I won't give my opinion on this, but out of interest Livia, do you think someone can really be a feminist if they don't support a woman's right to choose?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Greg!

As a mere man I won't give my opinion on this, but out of interest Livia, do you think someone can really be a feminist if they don't support a woman's right to choose?

thanks for pointing that out. Its absurd.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Greg!

As a mere man I won't give my opinion on this, but out of interest Livia, do you think someone can really be a feminist if they don't support a woman's right to choose?

That's true, it's pretty much impossible to find a way for a pro lifer to also be a feminist without having to admit to having hypocritical views on the issue. Feminism is about equality and women's rights, Pro life is about taking a woman's right to choose away.

You can't really reconcile those opposing view points.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Greg!

As a mere man I won't give my opinion on this, but out of interest Livia, do you think someone can really be a feminist if they don't support a woman's right to choose?

I don't think someone can truly be a feminist if they do not support a womans ownership over her own body. its not so much the 'choose' part, though I get that this is semantics really. I feel modern day feminism has been a bit..bastardized into 'any choice a woman makes is a feminist choice, as a woman chose it!' when to be honest I do not subscribe to this new notion of 'sex positive liberal feminism'. It seems to me that liberal feminism is mainly about making men happy. Obviously making men happy is not a bad thing, but its not what feminism should be about for me and honestly, near all lib fems I know spend their time going on about how prostitution is such an empowering job, and stuff like that