[icecakes]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Corbyn is as TRANSPARENT as glass and KNOWS exactly what he is doing.

His aim is to DESTROY the United Kingdom as it is, but - as others have pointed out - because his old arrogant method of being open about his terrorist sympathies, his full blown-Marxist ideology and his REAL political agenda, have reaped him only derision, failure, and ostracisation, he is now TRYING to gain a position of power by stealth as a 'changed man'.

If Corbyn DOES get into No. 10 - God Forbid It - the UK is DOOMED.

This is NOT scare-mongering. It Is FACT.

I cannot go into full detail here, but let us take this devious idiot's plan to extend the Council House tenant's 'Right To Buy' scheme to the Private Rented Sector.

He aims to legislate to force Private Landlords to sell their properties to tenants at a hugely discounted Below Market Value rate.

This follows his other threat to invoke numerous other legislation against Private Landlords one of which is to compel landlords to accept people in receipt of state benefits.

This cretin spouts that such legislation would help reduce the housing shortage: “I believe this idea could open up the possibility of real secure housing for many currently faced with insecurity and high rents.”

Hundreds applaud Corbyn as he spouts this drivel because they are gullible and believe the 'Utopia' he emptily promises to deliver to them, and they just do not perceive that Corbyn's policies will have THE VERY OPPOSITE EFFECT of that which he is claiming.

The majority of the 2 million plus Private Landlords in the UK, who are already besieged by punitive and UNFAIR legislation which UNFAIRLY PROTECTS the most despicable of non-rent paying, property-trashing tenants, will put a large percentage of their 5 million plus Rental Properties up for sale 'en masse' if Corbyn gets into number 10.

And as these properties go on the market, it will be FLOODED with SUPPLY outstripping DEMAND, or rather SUPPLY outstripping MORTGAGEABILITY, because demand is ALWAYS present but being able to secure the finance necessary to realise that demand is and always has been, the problem for the majority of 'would-be' First Time Buyers.

And THAT problem will be even greater come any property crash because lenders tighten up their lending criteria in such adverse conditions and it becomes virtually impossible to secure mortgages for all but the more 'well-off' applicants.

So, YES, a few of the more well-off who have savings, good income levels, and 'Triple-A' Credit Ratings may well capitalise, but THEY are in the MINORITY and a property crash will do ZILCH for the lower income groups, needy, and those on benefits - the VERY people Corbyn professes to want to help.

But it gets worse, because not only will the above groups NOT be able to BUY one of all those MILLIONS of extra properties now dumped onto the market, they will now be HOMELESS, because if they were tenants of one of these now for sale properties they will have been evicted under Section 21, and as Corbyn’s policies will have GREATLY exacerbated the already existing serious Housing Crisis, WHO will now rehouse all these unfortunate people?

There is already a seriously ACUTE SHORTAGE of accommodation to house our homeless as Council House building is virtually non-existent, and Housing Associations are now being FORCED to allow tenants the Right To Buy thus depleting their stocks.

MOST Private Landlords are decent, fair, and honest people who for decades have - through their OWN initiative and often sacrifices - PROVIDED good accommodation at reasonable rents to house 'normal' renters as well as the low-paid, homeless AND underprivileged; ALL whom have been NEGLECTED and UNCATERED FOR by EVERY Government since Margaret Thatcher first depleted Council Housing stocks nationwide by introducing the original ‘Right to buy’.

However, the very WORST fact about Corbyn’s planned housing policies is that – not for the first time - the Labour Party will have punished the poor and underprivileged people whom they claim to represent, and rewarded the mega-wealthy individuals and corporations which they are supposedly opposed to.

(The Private Finance Initiative adopted from the Tories by slime-ball Blair in 1979 HANDED THE NHS over to the PRIVATE SECTOR MEGA RICH CORPORATIONS and TRUSTS and THAT is when the NHS was PRIVATISED to all intents and purposes.

SO thanks to another Labour government, after 20 years of paying exorbitant interest rates, the NHS is STILL paying off the ‘loans’ at a rate of £3,700 EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! But that’s another post)

And here is WHAT WILL HAPPEN if Corbyn executes his ‘Right To Buy’ policies;

Once the Property Market is saturated, sales slow down, and consequently, prices are reduced by all those ‘Motivated ex-Landlord sellers.

WHO will step in to mop up all these ‘Bargain-Basement’ properties?

The very same MEGA RICH CORPORATIONS, SPECULATORS (British AND Foreign) who have added to their immense wealth by exploiting EVERY Property Crash there has ever been in this country (and others).

Every Stock Market, every Property Market, has ‘Cyclic ‘Peaking and Troughing’ - a time when all speculators rich or not so rich CAN increase their wealth.

THAT is NOT what I am talking about here.

I am talking – from Direct Personal Experience - about entire portfolios of 200 to 300 properties or more (repossessions usually) being sold at Auction during Property Crashes and bought by ‘Cash-Rich’ Corporations for PEANUTS, only for them to sit on them until the Market recovers (as it ALWAYS does eventually) when they are then sold off at their recovered Market Values for massive profits or let to tenants or a combination of both.

Finally, remember, that Property Crashes are often the precursor to RECESSION.

I could go on but will spare you.

I have WARNED you that if Corbyn gets into Downing Street his policies will plunge the UK into chaos and recession and any benefit which a tiny minority of the underprivileged - which he purports to represent - may enjoy, will not only be to the detriment of the vast majority but also be SHORT-LIVED.

I agree completely, if that clown gets in britain has had it, its bad enough now

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Corbyn is as TRANSPARENT as glass and KNOWS exactly what he is doing.

His aim is to DESTROY the United Kingdom as it is, but - as others have pointed out - because his old arrogant method of being open about his terrorist sympathies, his full blown-Marxist ideology and his REAL political agenda, have reaped him only derision, failure, and ostracisation, he is now TRYING to gain a position of power by stealth as a 'changed man'.

If Corbyn DOES get into No. 10 - God Forbid It - the UK is DOOMED.

This is NOT scare-mongering. It Is FACT.

I cannot go into full detail here, but let us take this devious idiot's plan to extend the Council House tenant's 'Right To Buy' scheme to the Private Rented Sector.

He aims to legislate to force Private Landlords to sell their properties to tenants at a hugely discounted Below Market Value rate.

This follows his other threat to invoke numerous other legislation against Private Landlords one of which is to compel landlords to accept people in receipt of state benefits.

This cretin spouts that such legislation would help reduce the housing shortage: “I believe this idea could open up the possibility of real secure housing for many currently faced with insecurity and high rents.”

Hundreds applaud Corbyn as he spouts this drivel because they are gullible and believe the 'Utopia' he emptily promises to deliver to them, and they just do not perceive that Corbyn's policies will have THE VERY OPPOSITE EFFECT of that which he is claiming.

The majority of the 2 million plus Private Landlords in the UK, who are already besieged by punitive and UNFAIR legislation which UNFAIRLY PROTECTS the most despicable of non-rent paying, property-trashing tenants, will put a large percentage of their 5 million plus Rental Properties up for sale 'en masse' if Corbyn gets into number 10.

And as these properties go on the market, it will be FLOODED with SUPPLY outstripping DEMAND, or rather SUPPLY outstripping MORTGAGEABILITY, because demand is ALWAYS present but being able to secure the finance necessary to realise that demand is and always has been, the problem for the majority of 'would-be' First Time Buyers.

And THAT problem will be even greater come any property crash because lenders tighten up their lending criteria in such adverse conditions and it becomes virtually impossible to secure mortgages for all but the more 'well-off' applicants.

So, YES, a few of the more well-off who have savings, good income levels, and 'Triple-A' Credit Ratings may well capitalise, but THEY are in the MINORITY and a property crash will do ZILCH for the lower income groups, needy, and those on benefits - the VERY people Corbyn professes to want to help.

But it gets worse, because not only will the above groups NOT be able to BUY one of all those MILLIONS of extra properties now dumped onto the market, they will now be HOMELESS, because if they were tenants of one of these now for sale properties they will have been evicted under Section 21, and as Corbyn’s policies will have GREATLY exacerbated the already existing serious Housing Crisis, WHO will now rehouse all these unfortunate people?

There is already a seriously ACUTE SHORTAGE of accommodation to house our homeless as Council House building is virtually non-existent, and Housing Associations are now being FORCED to allow tenants the Right To Buy thus depleting their stocks.

MOST Private Landlords are decent, fair, and honest people who for decades have - through their OWN initiative and often sacrifices - PROVIDED good accommodation at reasonable rents to house 'normal' renters as well as the low-paid, homeless AND underprivileged; ALL whom have been NEGLECTED and UNCATERED FOR by EVERY Government since Margaret Thatcher first depleted Council Housing stocks nationwide by introducing the original ‘Right to buy’.

However, the very WORST fact about Corbyn’s planned housing policies is that – not for the first time - the Labour Party will have punished the poor and underprivileged people whom they claim to represent, and rewarded the mega-wealthy individuals and corporations which they are supposedly opposed to.

(The Private Finance Initiative adopted from the Tories by slime-ball Blair in 1979 HANDED THE NHS over to the PRIVATE SECTOR MEGA RICH CORPORATIONS and TRUSTS and THAT is when the NHS was PRIVATISED to all intents and purposes.

SO thanks to another Labour government, after 20 years of paying exorbitant interest rates, the NHS is STILL paying off the ‘loans’ at a rate of £3,700 EVERY SINGLE MINUTE of EVERY SINGLE DAY!!! But that’s another post)

And here is WHAT WILL HAPPEN if Corbyn executes his ‘Right To Buy’ policies;

Once the Property Market is saturated, sales slow down, and consequently, prices are reduced by all those ‘Motivated ex-Landlord sellers.

WHO will step in to mop up all these ‘Bargain-Basement’ properties?

The very same MEGA RICH CORPORATIONS, SPECULATORS (British AND Foreign) who have added to their immense wealth by exploiting EVERY Property Crash there has ever been in this country (and others).

Every Stock Market, every Property Market, has ‘Cyclic ‘Peaking and Troughing’ - a time when all speculators rich or not so rich CAN increase their wealth.

THAT is NOT what I am talking about here.

I am talking – from Direct Personal Experience - about entire portfolios of 200 to 300 properties or more (repossessions usually) being sold at Auction during Property Crashes and bought by ‘Cash-Rich’ Corporations for PEANUTS, only for them to sit on them until the Market recovers (as it ALWAYS does eventually) when they are then sold off at their recovered Market Values for massive profits or let to tenants or a combination of both.

Finally, remember, that Property Crashes are often the precursor to RECESSION.

I could go on but will spare you.

I have WARNED you that if Corbyn gets into Downing Street his policies will plunge the UK into chaos and recession and any benefit which a tiny minority of the underprivileged - which he purports to represent - may enjoy, will not only be to the detriment of the vast majority but also be SHORT-LIVED.

An excellent post Kirk and clearly based on knowledge and research. God forbid people are daft enough to vote for him but if they do and he gets in we are all going to pay a heavy price, including most of those that vote for him. It will probably put current complaints about austerity into painful context and will NOT be as his campaign slogan dictated “for the many not the few”. It sounds very much as if the wealthy few will be the main beneficiaries of such a policy.

I almost, and I state almost as I am not that selfish, thought of saying that I wished such as catastrophe would happen just so that those who had voted for him would be forced to seriously regret their decision as some on here have wished on Brexit voters.

Thankfully I can see the bigger picture for all of us rather than want to glory in the pleasure of saying ‘I told you so’.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

An excellent post Kirk and clearly based on knowledge and research. God forbid people are daft enough to vote for him but if they do and he gets in we are all going to pay a heavy price, including most of those that vote for him. It will probably put current complaints about austerity into painful context and will NOT be as his campaign slogan dictated “for the many not the few”. It sounds very much as if the wealthy few will be the main beneficiaries of such a policy.

I almost, and I state almost as I am not that selfish, thought of saying that I wished such as catastrophe would happen just so that those who had voted for him would be forced to seriously regret their decision as some on here have wished on Brexit voters.

Thankfully I can see the bigger picture for all of us rather than want to glory in the pleasure of saying ‘I told you so’.

No it isn't... It can't be it hasn't happened yet

If he means that and there's nothing to suggest he does, I will obviously regret my decision.

You can say I told you so all you like for me brillo.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No it isn't... It can't be it hasn't happened yet

If he means that and there's nothing to suggest he does, I will obviously regret my decision.

You can say I told you so all you like for me brillo.

Easy to say as you clearly believe otherwise. For some reason you have blind faith in this man, he can certainly do no wrong in your eyes, but if you live to regret it I like to think I would not be so insensitive as to rub it in. It would also be rather stupid anyway as it would clearly affect me and most other people too. I guess time will tell - and it will be too late by then so God help us ALL if you are wrong.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Easy to say as you clearly believe otherwise. For some reason you have blind faith in this man, he can certainly do no wrong in your eyes, but if you live to regret it I like to think I would not be so insensitive as to rub it in. It would also be rather stupid anyway as it would clearly affect me and most other people too. I guess time will tell - but God help us ALL if you are wrong.

God help us all now!!! :/

[user104658]

The logic of how it could damage the economy (in the form described) is sound enough... The reason that the "doom and gloom" is false is that it relies on the premise that Corbyn could come into power and make large sweeping changes to housing and other legislation on a personal whim... Which we all know is simply not the case. Our government is set up specifically to stop things like that from being possible.

Although like I said I do think some changes need to be made to private rental, given that it is increasingly how people are going to be living. Stable homes are vital.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The logic of how it could damage the economy (in the form described) is sound enough... The reason that the "doom and gloom" is false is that it relies on the premise that Corbyn could come into power and make large sweeping changes to housing and other legislation on a personal whim... Which we all know is simply not the case. Our government is set up specifically to stop things like that from being possible.

Although like I said I do think some changes need to be made to private rental, given that it is increasingly how people are going to be living. Stable homes are vital.

Then he needs to stop lying and coming up with hare - brained schemes and promises to get votes that he must know won't be possible. He's already known for doing this and it makes him look like the clown he is.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The logic of how it could damage the economy (in the form described) is sound enough... The reason that the "doom and gloom" is false is that it relies on the premise that Corbyn could come into power and make large sweeping changes to housing and other legislation on a personal whim... Which we all know is simply not the case. Our government is set up specifically to stop things like that from being possible.

Although like I said I do think some changes need to be made to private rental, given that it is increasingly how people are going to be living. Stable homes are vital.

could you explain it to me please, as in how it would damage the economy?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

could you explain it to me please, as in how it would damage the economy?

The forced sale of properties at below market value would be "artificially" meddling with the housing market and that is always a bad idea. Also, in an ideal world, it would all be people genuinely buying their family home to live in but in all likelihood (as happened with council right to buy) what you'd actually get is an influx of people buying for reduced cost and then almost immediately selling on at full market value for profit.

Also, like I said, we're increasingly in a country where most people are in private rentals and too much heavy handed government interference is likely to prompt those who are buying property as an asset to simply sit on an empty property, rather than renting it out at all. Worse still, the announcement of any such legislation coming into effect is HIGHLY likely to prompt a huge number of private landlords to sell up before it's enacted, which not only is likely to collapse the housing market over night, but would also see untold numbers of private renting families losing their rented home.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The forced sale of properties at below market value would be "artificially" meddling with the housing market and that is always a bad idea. Also, in an ideal world, it would all be people genuinely buying their family home to live in but in all likelihood (as happened with council right to buy) what you'd actually get is an influx of people buying for reduced cost and then almost immediately selling on at full market value for profit.

Also, like I said, we're increasingly in a country where most people are in private rentals and too much heavy handed government interference is likely to prompt those who are buying property as an asset to simply sit on an empty property, rather than renting it out at all. Worse still, the announcement of any such legislation coming into effect is HIGHLY likely to prompt a huge number of private landlords to sell up before it's enacted, which not only is likely to collapse the housing market over night, but would also see untold numbers of private renting families losing their rented home.

The proposals referred to tenants who had lived in the property for the required length of time, therefore those who rent as they aren't in a position to buy or are on a short term lease ( as most are) will be unaffected, it is of course only a proposal at this stage, you can't immediately sell on council housing once bought which is why most buy to let.
People already hoard empty property which is why the govt introduced the 50% council tax increase on empty homes... not that I believe that's been enacted anywhere as yet :/

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Youtube video

Haven’t you put that up before?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Haven’t you put that up before?

Nope.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope.

It looks familiar.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It looks familiar.

It might, he's made 100s of youtube vids.

[Vicky.]

I think right to buy is all daft anyway. While we have a lack of council houses, we are selling them off at a discount. Makes no sense. Would be fine if we were rebuilding more, but it does not seem that way.

I am sure that Corbyn is not meaning that all landlords should have to sell their properties at a discount..thats a bit out there even for him tbh

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think right to buy is all daft anyway. While we have a lack of council houses, we are selling them off at a discount. Makes no sense. Would be fine if we were rebuilding more, but it does not seem that way.

I am sure that Corbyn is not meaning that all landlords should have to sell their properties at a discount..thats a bit out there even for him tbh

Maybe someone should seize his house and give it to or sell it at a discount to a more needy family. Wonder what he would think of that! He earns enough to pay rent someone else. Is that the way anyone really wants this country to go.

[Kizzy]

I can't possibly comment as I'm buying mine... Mind you I have lived in it for over 20yrs :/

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can't possibly comment as I'm buying mine... Mind you I have lived in it for over 20yrs :/

A genuine question Kizzy - isn’t socialism against home ownership - what I have read says it is. If this is the case then neither yourself or Corbyn are real socialists - it all seems a bit pick and mix to me.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

A genuine question Kizzy - isn’t socialism against home ownership - what I have read says it is. If this is the case then neither yourself or Corbyn are real socialists - it all seems a bit pick and mix to me.

All those calling Corbyn a socialist don't understand what socialism is.
Anyone who wants to leave capitalism intact is not a socialist. We could call them a soft and fluffy socialist thinkers but socialist they are not.
As for Marxism Corbyn is about as far away from Marxism as Thatcher was from socialism.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

A genuine question Kizzy - isn’t socialism against home ownership - what I have read says it is. If this is the case then neither yourself or Corbyn are real socialists - it all seems a bit pick and mix to me.

Have I ever professed to be a socialist?

But lets be realists here most people want a home to call their own... Should you want to own the whole street and charge exorbitant rents, have several mahoosive homes that nobody lives in or a home that sits on acres and acres of unused land..That's a separate issue.

Marx himself was a homeowner, it is when ownership becomes exploitative it is considered 'antisocial'.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I can't possibly comment as I'm buying mine... Mind you I have lived in it for over 20yrs :/

Oh I could take advantage of this scheme too (if I had the cash..)

I still disagree with it though. I don't blame people for actually doing it though, when the option is there. I just don't think the option SHOULD be there. Seems daft to me, unless they were to build new council places for each that was sold off.

[Kazanne]

We have had some lovely council houses built here,they are so far removed from the council days of old,and they mix private and council together on new estates,seems to work here.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

We have had some lovely council houses built here,they are so far removed from the council days of old,and they mix private and council together on new estates,seems to work here.

That was started just after Blair came into office and it started because during Blairs campaign, he was warned not to campaign on private estates and to stick to large council estates. After getting into office he put in place the idea to mix council houses amongst private houses with the same look and same facilities the private owners enjoyed.

[Kizzy]

Look at the savaging again by members of his own party... for doing the right thing!

'Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of echoing Nigel Farage after vowing to curb foreign workers, in extraordinary criticism from senior Scottish Labour colleagues.

Kezia Dugdale, the former Scottish Labour leader, said the party had “allowed the myths of EU immigration rules to be perpetuated” after Mr Corbyn called for post-Brexit curbs on low-paid immigration.'

He is totally in the right to ensure that employers are not exploiting both UK and EU workers by undercutting wages... That is effectively what is happening at the moment, people employed abroad via employment agencies to avoid our minimum wage laws.

But Corbyn is totally right this is not a viable practice for those who live here and want to work here... It's a reasonable question, where will the jobs come from for UK residents?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8249691.html