[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's not pawning them off, it's leaving them to get hanged with their own rope. Why should we continue to take responsibility for people who leave the UK to join a terrorist organisation like ISIS?

Because they're still british citizens and when they commit crimes against the UK then they should face the full extent of UK law.

I've always said in topics that are about UK people being prosecuted (like the drug dealing incidents) that I believe they should face trial in the UK so to say differently in this topic would be hypocrisy on my part.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because they're still british citizens and when they commit crimes against the UK then they should face the full extent of UK law.

I've always said in topics that are about UK people being prosecuted (like the drug dealing incidents) that I believe they should face trial in the UK so to say differently in this topic would be hypocrisy on my part.

They relinquished any 'British Citizenship' when they committed TREASON by VOLUNTARILY leaving these shores and joining a Terrorist Organisation which is at WAR with the UK and by committing the most savage, inhuman, and evil murders of INNOCENT civilians - Brits among them - in the service of that Terrorist Organisation.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's not pawning them off, it's leaving them to get hanged with their own rope. Why should we continue to take responsibility for people who leave the UK to join a terrorist organisation like ISIS?

I don't know how old you are Oliver,but you talk a great deal of sense, they were NOT pawned off ,they went over there to fight and kill,simple as,how right you are when you say 'hang them with their own rope' they deserve a long,slow painful death,but whichever way lets just get rid of the scum.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't know how old you are Oliver,but you talk a great deal of sense, they were NOT pawned off ,they went over there to fight and kill,simple as,how right you are when you say 'hang them with their own rope' they deserve a long,slow painful death,but whichever way lets just get rid of the scum.

What does his age have to do with anything?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't know how old you are Oliver,but you talk a great deal of sense, they were NOT pawned off ,they went over there to fight and kill,simple as,how right you are when you say 'hang them with their own rope' they deserve a long,slow painful death,but whichever way lets just get rid of the scum.

Agreed no need to waste taxpayer money trying these two, or giving them any free aid, they can stay where they are

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Whereas adding to our overpopulated prisons at the taxpayers' expense is better? I'd rather see them barred from returning to the UK and left to rot with ISIS, but bothering to drag them here and allowing them to become another burden to the system is pretty far down on the list of responses.

I agree Oliver leave the scum where they ran off to , to help kill Western hostages,they lost their rights as soon as they turned traitor, Let them loose in the middle of the desert and let them fend for themselves.

[Marsh.]

If I said I don't know how old you are, but you talk loads of nonsense I'd be infracted.

[Candy Annie Cane]

I think they should be allowed to serve any sentences in the UK if they provide the military with usable intelligence against IS (or whatever terrorist organisation they aligned themselves to when they left the UK). If they fail to provide information, withhold it or provide false information, they should not be allowed re-entry into the country (I don't think they should be tortured for the info either). I also think they need to be segregated from mainstream prison populations if they are brought back to the UK to avoid them being able to influence and radicalise others.

[Oliver_W]

Which Human Rights would be breached by not bringing terrorists over here from the country they chose to go to?

[Cherry Christmas]

If British citizens smuggle drugs abroad and are caught they are tried in the country and imprisoned in that country if found guilty, the only difference in this case is that they won't have the services of The British Embassy, fair dues given they are traitors, they renounced their citizenship willingly..they can't have it both ways, they accepted the laws of ISIS, they can seek help from them

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If British citizens smuggle drugs abroad and are caught they are tried in the country and imprisoned in that country if found guilty, the only difference in this case is that they won't have the services of The British Embassy, fair dues given they are traitors, they renounced their citizenship willingly..they can't have it both ways, they accepted the laws of ISIS, they can seek help from them

Well said Cherie,100% agree

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which Human Rights would be breached by not bringing terrorists over here from the country they chose to go to?

I brought up the human rights angle, not in response to this case but to the worrying fantasising and bloodlust of people who hope for executions without due course without realising that it's an attitude that's common with the enemy.

My view on this pair has not changed. I believe British criminals should face a British court of law for their crimes, it's what I've said for other crimes when they've been discussed on here and it would be hypocritical for me to deviate from that point of view and make exceptions in this case. I'd rather terrorists face life imprisonment and be seen as a failure by their peers than be made martyrs through execution.

[Livia]

It's a sad fact that the only time people get militant about Human Rights is when it applies to scumbags.

The UK has every right to remove the citizenship of these terrorists. But that doesn't mean they cannot be tried in the UK. Or in the USA. Or they may face trial under the Kurds. If they do far trial in the UK, it may be that we hand them over the the US to face trial anyway, because they are far harder on terrorists than we are here.

Everything that happens to these "people" will be by the book, and that includes having their citizenship stripped and to be tried in a court overseas.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's a sad fact that the only time people get militant about Human Rights is when it applies to scumbags.

The UK has every right to remove the citizenship of these terrorists. But that doesn't mean they cannot be tried in the UK. Or in the USA. Or they may face trial under the Kurds. If they do far trial in the UK, it may be that we hand them over the the US to face trial anyway, because they are far harder on terrorists than we are here.

Everything that happens to these "people" will be by the book, and that includes having their citizenship stripped and to be tried in a court overseas.

I didn't know that but it blows away all the previous arguments

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's a sad fact that the only time people get militant about Human Rights is when it applies to scumbags.

The UK has every right to remove the citizenship of these terrorists. But that doesn't mean they cannot be tried in the UK. Or in the USA. Or they may face trial under the Kurds. If they do far trial in the UK, it may be that we hand them over the the US to face trial anyway, because they are far harder on terrorists than we are here.

Everything that happens to these "people" will be by the book, and that includes having their citizenship stripped and to be tried in a court overseas.

I get militant about Human Rights for everyone which is why on every post on the subject I say that it's an all or nothing deal. When you start creating exceptions to rights you start to create a situation in which it's okay to strip someone of their rights and those situations can only spiral and be abused. It's easy and weak to strip away the rights of others and be all like 'YEAH! KILL 'EM ALL LIKE THE DOGS THEY ARE!' but attitudes like that just piss over the lives lost to preserve the rights we have.

like I said to Oliver, I brought human rights into the discussion, not because of this pair, but because of the posts endorsing execution without due process. I've said my piece on the pair.

[bots]

it's justice 101 to ensure that everybody arrested by our country receives a fair trial. It's countries like Russia and Libya (to name but a couple) where people are shot first and questions asked later. Just because someone commits a heinous act, doesn't mean that we should stoop to the same level. Justice is all that is required.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's justice 101 to ensure that everybody arrested by our country receives a fair trial. It's countries like Russia and Libya (to name but a couple) where people are shot first and questions asked later. Just because someone commits a heinous act, doesn't mean that we should stoop to the same level. Justice is all that is required.

EXACTLY. It's not justice, it's just vengeance when you respond to a heinous act in kind.