[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Apart from a life of subservience and obedience to an authoritarian state. But I suppose some people live that way anyway and thus wouldn't fear it.

On the right side of the law

[smudgie]

If somebody is acting suspicious, then fine, stop and search them.
If it is so it can be jotted and totted then no.
My son could be stopped and searched 4 times in one evening....in a very crime free area, but they had to reach those target figures, and he was a cheeky little blighter.
Operation Zero Tolerance it was called, well they got that right.

[Kizzy]

There's a speech being made now in relation to this, apparently she didn't get the memo... :/

Labour continues to attack the government over the home office leak and Rudd’s admission that she hasn’t read the research.

Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, said:

“The Tories’ concern about knife crime doesn’t even run so far as providing new money or extra officers to tackle it. What part of the Home Office budget is being raided to fund this initiative? It must not be from elsewhere in the police or security budgets which have already been slashed.

“This morning the Home Secretary claimed to be launching “a fact and evidence-fuelled” strategy, but then admitted she hadn’t even bothered to read the evidence her officials have compiled.

“This looks increasingly like a PR stunt by Amber Rudd designed to grab a good headline. The Tories have slashed police funding and resources, leaving them struggling to cope with rising serious crime. This latest announcement looks like a cover up of their own failures.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-live-updates

https://news.sky.com/story/amber-rud...-cuts-11323837

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, said:

“The Tories’ concern about knife crime doesn’t even run so far as providing new money or extra officers to tackle it. What part of the Home Office budget is being raided to fund this initiative? It must not be from elsewhere in the police or security budgets which have already been slashed.

Youtube video

You could not make this stupid clown woman up, she is an embarrassment

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, said:

“The Tories’ concern about knife crime doesn’t even run so far as providing new money or extra officers to tackle it. What part of the Home Office budget is being raided to fund this initiative? It must not be from elsewhere in the police or security budgets which have already been slashed.

Youtube video

You could not make this stupid clown woman up, she is an embarrassment

that's a very cutting criticism LT

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott, said:

“The Tories’ concern about knife crime doesn’t even run so far as providing new money or extra officers to tackle it. What part of the Home Office budget is being raided to fund this initiative? It must not be from elsewhere in the police or security budgets which have already been slashed.

Youtube video

You could not make this stupid clown woman up, she is an embarrassment

Total nut job !

[Kizzy]

So we're back to mocking Diane Abbot?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So we're back to mocking Diane Abbot?

SHE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PEOPLES HUMAN RIGHTS THE FIRST TIME STOP AND SEARCH GOT CANCELLED.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

SHE WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN ABOUT PEOPLES HUMAN RIGHTS THE FIRST TIME STOP AND SEARCH GOT CANCELLED.

Racist cow !!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A lot of the issue seems to be absent fathers

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

A fair few people took offense in another thread when I said the best indicator of a successful life is being raised by two parents.

[Withano]

Could get more police on the street, but democracy says no

[Tom4784]

Nope, it's morally wrong and ineffective.

It also represents an attitude I despise, the attitude of eroding and throwing away our rights for a false sense of security.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nope, it's morally wrong and ineffective.

It also represents an attitude I despise, the attitude of eroding and throwing away our rights for a false sense of security.

It is neither morally wrong or ineffective. If is saves one life it is worth it.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is neither morally wrong or ineffective. If is saves one life it is worth it.

My thoughts too ,protect the innocent ......sod the criminals

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It is neither morally wrong or ineffective. If is saves one life it is worth it.

It is ineffective, look it up. There's plenty of studies that have come to the same conclusion

All Stop and Search does is erode people's rights and it's an insult to those that have died to preserve our rights. Worst of all, it's a false sense of security.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It is ineffective, look it up. There's plenty of studies that have come to the same conclusion

Okay, I looked it up. Overall, it suggests that higher rates of stop and search (under any power) were associated with lower than expected rates of crime in the following week or month. While this particular police study admits the results were inconsistent, I'd be interested to see what studies you've been looking at?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It is ineffective, look it up. There's plenty of studies that have come to the same conclusion

All Stop and Search does is erode people's rights and it's an insult to those that have died to preserve our rights. Worst of all, it's a false sense of security.

People didn’t die to potentially allow people to walk around carrying knives and guns unchallenged. If some groups are more likely to carry it makes sense they would be more likely to be searched. The innocent have nothing to fear.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So what is your solution to the problem right now, apart from everyone upping sticks and moving out of their communities which was your solution to the problem on Saturday

Easy, put more money into the police so there's more of a presence on the street without the need to resort to prejudice to invade people's privacy. It started with Cameron and it's only gotten worse with May, I remember a while ago, a police officer spoke out about the lack of vital resources needed to police the streets and how there's not enough funding to have enough people patrolling and keeping watch, it created quite a stir if I remember right.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

People didn’t die to potentially allow people to walk around carrying knives and guns unchallenged. If some groups are more likely to carry it makes sense they would be more likely to be searched. The innocent have nothing to fear.

People died so we could have the rights that we have, Stop and Search infringes on those rights and it encourages Racial Profiling which creates societal problems in itself as you create situations that are endorsed by the system in which certain races will be treated with more suspicion.

Searching people without cause for suspicion is beyond the pale, it makes me sad to see how little people care about their own rights to endorse it.

A person cannot support things like Stop and Search and then pretend they care about their rights or the sacrifices others have made to preserve them. It's irreconcilable.

[AnnieK]

I'm not a fan of this concept. If the police have reason to stop and search from a report or something I get that - but how can police decide if someone looks dodgy? Or would they stop everyone?

[Gstar]

Yes and their excuse for not doing so is stupid (something along the lines of racism/racial profiling)

I’m black and I don’t mind being searched every day if it involves ‘possibly’ preventing someone being murdered

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Germyle

Yes and their excuse for not doing so is stupid (something along the lines of racism/racial profiling)

I’m black and I don’t mind being searched every day if it involves ‘possibly’ preventing someone being murdered

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Germyle

I’m black and I don’t mind being searched every day if it involves ‘possibly’ preventing someone being murdered

I highly, highly doubt that if you were searched every day for a year you would still be saying that. If you genuinely don't mind being stopped and harassed by law enforcement whilst going about your day, then that's... Err... Great, I guess, but I don't think you speak for most people who actually do value their liberty, autonomy and right to privacy.

Here's a question for the #metoo generation;

Its not just teenage males who are involved in violent crime, and only stop and searching males would be profiling anyway. So... Are we OK with male police officers having the legal right to stop and "pat down" any teenage girl they want to in the street? Do we expect teenage girls to be OK with these intrusive searches "because it might save lives"?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I highly, highly doubt that if you were searched every day for a year you would still be saying that. If you genuinely don't mind being stopped and harassed by law enforcement whilst going about your day, then that's... Err... Great, I guess, but I don't think you speak for most people who actually do value their liberty, autonomy and right to privacy.

Here's a question for the #metoo generation;

Its not just teenage males who are involved in violent crime, and only stop and searching males would be profiling anyway. So... Are we OK with male police officers having the legal right to stop and "pat down" any teenage girl they want to in the street? Do we expect teenage girls to be OK with these intrusive searches "because it might save lives"?

I think a female officer would have to do that, much the same as at the airport, I have been patted down more times then I care to count, I could walk through naked and the alarms would go off

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think a female officer would have to do that, much the same as at the airport, I have been patted down more times then I care to count, I could walk through naked and the alarms would go off

Me too Cherie, I think I have metal bones or something. I had to go into the full body scanner thing last time I flew, I wanted to see the image but it just gave me a green light.

However, you expect that kind of thing at an airport, walking down the street I would be highly pissed off if I was deemed dodgy looking and required a stop and search without due reason.