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Underscore · 27-09-2018, 05:38 PM

I've just watched her testify and it was so upsetting... me and my mum were nearly in tears... there's no way she's lying

Maru · 27-09-2018, 06:04 PM

This is so exhausting to watch. I can only imagine for anyone who has to testify...

Maru · 27-09-2018, 06:31 PM

The prosecutor looked genuinely upset the way this is seemingly being handled... she credited her on her knowledge of psychology and the chemical reactions... this prosecutor's focus area is interviewing sexual assault survivors in particular and she asked if anyone offered her another option. And said that the best option really, was for her to have seen a forensics expert, been allowed to talk most of the time and tell her story as she recalls... I think she called it something like a cognitive interview... but that would seem more pleasant than sitting in that room with all these blood-thirsty politicians looking to get hit points...

I do think she is telling the truth and as she remembers it is how she remembers it, but her memory is not the most trustworthy.. and equally so, my stomach churns at the idea of convicting someone on the basis of "convincing" testimony versus evidence... it does go against what we would normally call a fair system... if they dropped him, it wouldn't be the worst thing, but kind of unimaginable if she is remembering these details and it ends up being the wrong person... so many different details about both people coming out, from people uninvolved and not, and some self-contradictions... she does seem very easily flustered, personality-wise... couldn't remember fairly recent details which I know at least I would remember ... in a way, it makes it more convincing, because we could see in her person where it becomes a jumbled mess for her with high stress levels... but on the other hand, it could be said to be very convenient given the line of questioning she was asked... but understandable she wouldn't have known (or cared) the more sordid details about some of the pro-bono stuff, imo...

I like how they got mad though, "This isn't supposed to be a trial!"... yet they're demanding an FBI investigation.

November will be very interesting to see how the public reacts to this and all the other shenanigans that have been going on thanks to our wonderful Congress since 2016...

bots · 27-09-2018, 06:40 PM

i think she is telling the truth too Maru. I still think they will push him on to the supreme court though

Maru · 27-09-2018, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think she is telling the truth too Maru. I still think they will push him on to the supreme court though

Maybe. Maybe not?... I'm hoping at least they will pass to FBI for a look or subpoena the other guy who was there (Mark Whatshisface) ... I had read someone said it only took about 3 days for FBI to look at it... which seems really short, but I think it's possible depending on how "deep" a look it is... can't be very deep if it was 30+ years ago... but especially to vet these new claims, I think would be important to have testify under oath in order to get to the source of it... (testify to the FBI, not this nonsense)

Maru · 27-09-2018, 07:08 PM

Kavanaugh about to start testifying... my god he looks sleep-deprived... and mad

bots · 27-09-2018, 07:18 PM

Kavanaugh is coming across very aggressive and angry .... not the sweet little kid... who would never drink or treat a woman badly .......

Maru · 27-09-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Kavanaugh is coming across very aggressive and angry .... not the sweet little kid... who would never drink or treat a woman badly .......

He's come out with guns blazing and then some... but he keeps very precise records of things he did when he was younger from his father... that's pretty remarkable... I keep a daily planner (fail to keep regularly

) and a couple of journals... it's helped with things like doctor's records and recalling health history, for work... etc

But I died @ the whole "fffffff" entry&explanation...

arista · 27-09-2018, 07:16 PM

yes he is Angry

Maru · 27-09-2018, 08:29 PM

Opening statements

Youtube video

Marsh. · 27-09-2018, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Maru

Opening statements

Youtube video

3:53 vs 44:39

Maru · 27-09-2018, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

3:53 vs 44:39

First one is supposed to be full but didn't read timestamp... I hate YT -_-

Marsh. · 27-09-2018, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Maru

First one is supposed to be full but didn't read timestamp... I hate YT -_-

Oh so it's just more edited than the other one?

Thought the difference was too staggering to be an accurate representation of their statements.

Maru · 27-09-2018, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh so it's just more edited than the other one?

Thought the difference was too staggering to be an accurate representation of their statements.

Yeah, I just looked at the timestamps and most are around 20 minute mark or so?... which seems right as she focused on a prepared statement, which I pre-read... it wasn't that long. Kavanaughs seemed to go on much longer...

You know how it is with YT, they post up these unnecessarily short clips just so they can get impressions... -_- like how I search BBUK episodes, get a 40 minute video of powerpoint presentations...

I updated my post in the first video for full length.

His testimony was much much longer... but she didn't want to be there after a little while, said she was getting tired... I believe her, I was so tired watching her testify... it looked very emotionally draining...

Northern Monkey · 27-09-2018, 09:19 PM

Obviously nobody knows the truth.Just from seeing them both i think I believe him tbh.But really who knows.

Maru · 27-09-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Obviously nobody knows the truth.Just from seeing them both i think I believe him tbh.But really who knows.

It feels like a case of mistaken identity and it is really really sad...

bots · 27-09-2018, 09:43 PM

i think he is flat out guilty

Maru · 27-09-2018, 11:17 PM

Brett Kavanaugh and the tears of a bully
https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...BGMenu_Article

So men aggressive, bad... but when he cries, he's bad too?...

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It was supposed to be he-said, she-said. Not she-said, he-cried.

But don’t be fooled: they were the tears of a bully. Brett Kavanaugh was as mad as a privileged white man can be at the prospect of losing a coveted seat on the US Supreme Court to a girl who wasn’t part of his Georgetown Prep social circle back in their high school days. How dare someone like that mess up the careful career plan he built upon fealty to Republican smear tactics?

Alternating between sobs and flashes of white-hot rage, Kavanaugh went before the Senate Judiciary Committee and poured every ounce of emotion he could summon into saving his nomination. He vehemently denied the allegation of sexual assault made by Christine Blasey Ford, along with other allegations of sexual misconduct that have surfaced over the past few days. He blamed the attacks on Democrats, generally, along with “pent-up anger” over the 2016 election, and “revenge on behalf of the Clintons” — presumably because of his role in the Ken Starr investigation of Bill Clinton. Calling the questions about his integrity a national disgrace, he told the committee, “You have replaced advise and consent with search and destroy.”

It was reminiscent of Clarence Thomas and his defiant charge of a “high-tech lynching” after Anita Hill said that Thomas sexually harassed her — plus major-league blubbering. Emotion flowed when Kavanaugh talked of his father’s calendars, which are the reason, he said, he kept his own and saved the one from 1982 that notes nothing about the gathering described by Ford. He also teared up at the thought of not being able to teach law or coach basketball again, because of allegations against him.

Earlier in the day, Ford’s testimony about an alleged sexual assault in the early 1980s by Kavanaugh was dignified, powerful, heart-wrenching, and totally credible.

It’s true Ford didn’t remember details of time and place, and she was honest about acknowledging those lapses. But she did remember, with chilling recall, the laughter, “the uproarious laughter” between Kavanaugh and his high-school buddy Mark Judge at the time of the attack. “I was underneath one of them while the two laughed. Two friends having a really good time with one another,” she said.

And she was absolutely certain of the identity of her attacker.

“With what degree of certainty do you believe Brett Kavanaugh assaulted you?” asked Senator Dick Durbin, Democrat of Illinois.

“One hundred percent,” Ford replied.

The professor from California nailed her appearance before the committee. The cloud her testimony casts on Kavanaugh’s character should be enough to end his nomination to the Supreme Court.

Republicans could easily find another conservative to undermine Roe v. Wade. If they stick with Kavanaugh, he will have cried his way onto the highest court of the land.

And they say women are too emotional?

bots · 27-09-2018, 11:24 PM

it was the way he avoided answering questions, and then when being asked questions by women, shouted them down. Is this really supreme court material?

Maru · 28-09-2018, 12:04 AM

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it was the way he avoided answering questions, and then when being asked questions by women, shouted them down. Is this really supreme court material?

Just for my part, how he spoke is no different than any other impassioned judge we have here. Jury duty and whatnot, there's a lot of things like this that get said off-the-record, including opinions on current events. I've seen judges on-record and off-record become quite impassioned... and that's how it came off to me. More impassioned about our system and the rule of law, than angry about his situation. I think the issue was more about how the media/democrats took it to another level and gamified these proceedings... also consider the gang-rape rumors and other related speculation that the opposition party didn't go out of their way to play down.. in fact, the opposite, they called him evil and encouraged a smear campaign despite lack of evidence...

I think criticism over his temperament when he was being flippant can be used against him in being approved, but with the way our Congress has been, but off and on-record, his behavior isn't necessarily extraordinary when considering the times we are living in atm. Fact-based conservatism hasn't seemed to work in terms of restoring civility and I think there's a backlash too in the background from Republicans in terms of thinking "Enough is enough"... they've done the nicer politics, even during times when they were the minority party, the olive branches, etc, and clearly that's not the times we're living in anymore...

I think I would've made a similar deduction, that in his position, I don't think it would've gone in my favor for me to have played a more sweeter character. I think though his testimony was angry and at times, quite irate... he didn't hide how he felt, which is something to consider too. If her feelings matter, his should as well, their impressions of this entire fiasco... if he is being wrongfully accused, then this is not only a traumatic situation for not only him, but for his family... so yeah, I think some room for vulnerability is allowable...men and women react very differently to high stress situations... I know me, I cry when I'm frustrated, but I'm to the point about my feelings when I think as I do, and I see no point in waffling in how we feel... if someone in that position is too nice, they're going to call them a liar anyway, with the state of our cultural&political discourse... so might as well put it all out on the table and go out with 0 regrets... he seemed to imply he was toast, but not sure how much I really believe that...

I do think November midterms will be a referendum on #Metoo. Not these proceedings as others have said. Amongst the other things that have gone on since the presidential election. I'm really concerned about this counter-culture that is becoming more accepting towards convicting people with just accusations and circumstantial evidence... this would never have been acceptable for women or minority folk, this atmosphere of suspicion that is being created. So it's a bit sad to see the media getting a pass on this when obviously this is not the direction most folk (imo) would want the country to go... I don't know how much DC reflects us, but from my personal experiences, not very much...... I think if I look up politics from now on, I will tend to just focus on the details and avoid opinion-based sources... both sides are doing a good job of creating opinion-based journalism that operates off feelings rather than an examination of details & comparing facts.. most of our news now is opinion-based journalism, not surprising with how many things in our life is being gamified (social media, infotainment, even education)... I wouldn't blame the media for this situation though... I think the lady rightfully came out of if this is her legitimate claim. Obviously, his testimony matters too with how the witnesses have not gone in her favor and in the fact he kept meticulous records of daily events & social gatherings... and int his case, it's not clear who is right or wrong... and thankfully, the outcome won't by opinion because who the hell wants that job?

Edit: I just recalled. The last time I was in a court was for jury selection... right after the election and our judge was retiring (as so many are walking away from politics)... but he had a group chat with us afterwards talking about the times we now find ourselves after the hearing... basically, he wouldn't be there for that so he could comment a little, but he seemed to look back on his years of service in the community and said everyday was a different/unique experience... never got old for him...

bots · 28-09-2018, 07:57 AM

Checking reactions online from other Americans, they seem to raise similar sentiments to me. Perhaps it does very much depend on political leanings .... Maybe in American terms I'm a loony lefty

Maru · 28-09-2018, 08:58 AM

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Gaslighting is a form of psychological manipulation that seeks to sow seeds of doubt in a targeted individual or in members of a targeted group, making them question their own memory, perception, and sanity. Using persistent denial, misdirection, contradiction, and lying, it attempts to destabilize the victim and delegitimize the victim's belief.[1][2]

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