[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Adult men should not be teaching 5 to 10 yr old kids about sex.

It's nothing to do with sex, its story books where its Mama and Mama and Papa and Papa rather than Mama and Papa

[Dash Darington]

The government should not be engaging in the forced political indoctrination of children. Kids should get their values from their parents, and ultimately choose their own beliefs when they reach adulthood. I wonder how many of you would support forced indoctrination of your children into a values system that is antithetical to your own.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dash Darington

The government should not be engaging in the forced political indoctrination of children. Kids should get their values from their parents, and ultimately choose their own beliefs when they reach adulthood. I wonder how many of you would support forced indoctrination of your children into a values system that is antithetical to your own.

There's a difference between normalising and indoctrinating / promoting, though. I'd sort of agree if it's actively PUSHING it or even pushing "and that's OK!!!" rather than helping children to develop their OWN system of morals... but I have no issue with normalisation (i.e. just including gay characters in stories without fuss, talking about same sex relationships openly etc.)

Hiding a normal part of everyday society (which in this country, homosexual relationships are) from children is more akin to political indoctrination than being open about them, tbh.

[bots]

the government is hardly subjecting school children to enforced political indoctrination. I've never heard such blatant falsehood.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the government is hardly subjecting school children to enforced political indoctrination. I've never heard such blatant falsehood.

Indeed, this isn't on the curriculum though story books with same sex couples should be in every school if we want the next generation to be more tolerant and accepting

[Mystic Mock]

What's wrong with same sex couples being in story books? As long as there is still a main storyline away from the couple then I don't see the problem.

[Tom4784]

The idea that same sex relationships are somehow lewd or inappropriate for children has always annoyed me. Same sex relationships can be presented just as chaste and age appropriate as heterosexual relationships often are, if you have no issue with kids watching most Disney fairy tales then you can't have an issue with gay relationships being presented as such without being a hypocrite.

[user104658]

To be fair in my experience kids reactions seem to be much more based on other kids a lot of the time anyway and there's only so much you can do. My daughter went from being totally accepting that men could be with men when she was 4 or 5 (we have gay friends and she thought nothing of it), to a worrying little homophobe when she was 6/7, and now she's 9 and can actually understand concepts like romantic relationships and sexuality and is back to thinking nothing of it.

I think maybe there are more fundamental considerations when it comes to understanding why younger kids are confused. They don't really have any concept of love or attraction and their basic concept of what "a couple" is, is "a mummy and a daddy" ... like, people are together SPECIFICALLY for that reason, I honestly don't think they necessarily even get that it's a separate relationship that goes beyond being "the parents". Which I guess contributes to confusion about why two men or two women would be in a relationship. So in theory, the perfect time to be talking about homosexuality being normal would be around the age of 8 when they're starting to develop a concept of what romantic relationships are at all.

I'm not saying there's any harm normalising it for younger kids too I'm just not totally convinced that there's much point or that it makes much difference. They find heterosexual relationships weird and hilarious too

[Cherie]

This made the news this evening 600 of the 700 pupils stayed home in protest today

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This made the news this evening 600 of the 700 pupils stayed home in protest today

Fines! Fines for everyone!

The school should not back down on this, the parents are hateful bigots and if they interrupt their children's education for no good reason then fine them and consider a harsher punishments if they do it again.

Children are not political weapons, it's just a shame these terrible human beings don't realise that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Fines! Fines for everyone!

The school should not back down on this, the parents are hateful bigots and if they interrupt their children's education for no good reason then fine them and consider a harsher punishments if they do it again.

Children are not political weapons, it's just a shame these terrible human beings don't realise that.

This, pretty much.

One can talk about how "inappropriate" it is until the cows come home, but at the end of the day children's education is more important than them finding out that people can love someone else of the same gender.

[Twosugars]

This is state school, they should keep their bigoted religion out of it

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

This is state school, they should keep their bigoted religion out of it

When did you turn into Tommy Robinson?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

When did you turn into Tommy Robinson?

I don't think anyone here is daft enough to deny that the religion itself is pretty bigoted, even when most individual muslims are not.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

When did you turn into Tommy Robinson?

it goes for Christians too

The state and its schools are secular and should teach secular values like tolerance.
Next thing they'll want sharia law

[Underscore]

Fine the parents £60 like you would for all unauthorised absences.

And don't back down.

[Beso]

1st question, how do they know he is gay?


2nd question, who runs about at a primary school shouting about their sexually?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

1st question, how do they know he is gay?


2nd question, who runs about at a primary school shouting about their sexually?

A teacher's sexuality isn't anyone's business as long as he or she is a competent teacher.

But I remember a teacher at my old school telling students he was gay and had a bf And how he loved him . no idea how that discussion happened when he was meant to be teaching.

I don't like anything that's forced , I guess it depends how things are taught and discussed.
Sometimes it's done in a silly way .

[Alf]

KSo I heard somewhere that the Muslims won this and the School backed Down.

If this was predominantly White mothers, they wouldn't have won, they'd have been called all the bigots, homophobes and far right names in the World. And the school would have definitely not backed down. Just shows the power some people have and the fear they put into people.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

So I heard somewhere that the Muslims won this and the School backed Down.

If this was predominantly White mothers, they wouldn't have won, they'd have been called all the bigots, homophobes and far right names in the World. And the school would have definitely not backed down. Just shows the power have and the fear they put into people.

I will need a link Alf, but if that has happened it is very disappointing indeed.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I will need a link Alf, but if that has happened it is very disappointing indeed.

I haven't looked for or seen anything, I just saw a YouTuber mention it in a video.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I haven't looked for or seen anything, I just saw a YouTuber mention it in a video.

found it, posted it above.... people have had to resign from their jobs from having personal beliefs attached to their religion that they weren't bothering anyone with, this country is crazy

[Cherie]

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...sts?CMP=twt_gu


A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.

Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.

In a letter to parents, the school said: “Up to the end of this term, we will not be delivering any No Outsiders lessons in our long-term year curriculum plan, as this half term has already been blocked for religious education (RE). Equality assemblies will continue as normal and our welcoming No Outsiders ethos will be there for all.”


On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number.


our culture is being dragged back into the 50s we now have another generation being brought up in this country thinking being gay is somehow wrong....

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...sts?CMP=twt_gu


A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.

Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.

In a letter to parents, the school said: “Up to the end of this term, we will not be delivering any No Outsiders lessons in our long-term year curriculum plan, as this half term has already been blocked for religious education (RE). Equality assemblies will continue as normal and our welcoming No Outsiders ethos will be there for all.”


On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number.


our culture is being dragged back into the 50s we now have another generation being brought up in this country thinking being gay is somehow wrong....

You beat me to it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...sts?CMP=twt_gu


A primary school that taught pupils about homosexuality as part of a programme to challenge homophobia has stopped the lessons after hundreds of children were withdrawn by parents in protest.

Parkfield community school in Saltley, Birmingham, has been the scene of weekly protests over the lessons, which parents claim are promoting gay and transgender lifestyles.

In a letter to parents, the school said: “Up to the end of this term, we will not be delivering any No Outsiders lessons in our long-term year curriculum plan, as this half term has already been blocked for religious education (RE). Equality assemblies will continue as normal and our welcoming No Outsiders ethos will be there for all.”


On Friday about 600 Muslim children, aged between four and 11, were withdrawn from the school for the day, parents said. The school would not confirm the number.


our culture is being dragged back into the 50s we now have another generation being brought up in this country thinking being gay is somehow wrong....

Islam would like to drag us back further than that... they want us back in the dark ages. This is a problem with the Muslim community, while I'd say the majority are moderate, hardworking, decent Muslims, there is a section of their community who are not like us. Women in this country have fought for equality, gay people have fought for acceptance, why are we letting a minority dictate? Because everyone's scared of being called an Islamaphobe.

If we protest hard enough will they stop FGM on their little girls? No.

But they've won this particular battle... and it sucks.