[Shaun]

Originally posted by BabyDollBeauty

racism isnt just an issue in the house its worldwide thing and i think addressing it will allow us to have a better understanding than being so ignorant

Yes, and this is a forum about Big Brother. Take this to the "Serious Debate" board, please, this is getting tedious.

[rororo06]

Originally posted by BabyDollBeauty
Going back to the whole racism thing over the emily issue and her saying the "N word" they made a big deal out of it but charley also said the "N word" , when she did that it was basically confirming that it was okay to say that. How is it racially offencive if emily (another race) said that and okay charley saying it??

Because there is a difference between calling someone else a ****** and calling yourself a ****** that is a simple fact of life

[Dr43%er]

"The (N) word comes from the word:- "Negro" a black person."

No it's not. Negro. It is the the Portuguese word for black, the colour. "N"-word is a bastardisation of that word, and it only came in to use as the word for black people when the slave trade kicked off with the help of the Portuguese.

With regards to people calling each other by the names ,"n" word, "p" word and the like, then that is acceptable if there is no offence meant or taken.
The one thing people who seem to think it is ok to say it, is that Jackson could say "white piece of trash" like it absolves every racist remark ever made. The fact is you found it offensive or you would not have brought it up. So, It is ok for you to be offended, but not "n" 's and "p" 's ?

[bbmum]

I'm just going to throw this out there, and hope you'll still read this...I'm from the States; we are, among other things, notoriously known for national division over slavery at one point, and also for producing many rappers that use the word n*gga in their lyrics. However, it is widely accepted here that it's only acceptable for black rappers and people to use this word. white/or other colored-skin rappers stay away from it. It's a cultural thing, not applying only to the States. The usual reason is this: N*gger is notorious as an insult towards dark-skinned people, and much like the use of B*tch toward females, or any other derogatory term toward the people that it's normally aimed towards, people of these social groups use these terms amongst themselves as a way of taking away the power of these words to hurt. But that IS ONLY when used between people who would be called these words. When any of these terms come from anyone else, the meaning is called into question, as you can't know what that person may really mean by it. Hence, the reason why Eminem may call every other situation in life by very 'offensive' words, but you won't hear him EVER say N*gg*r. It's a matter of respect that you don't call someone else a name unless you could be in that catagory as well....I don't know why, it's just a matter of respect. And out of respect, I don't use terms that I don't know how everyone that could be affected by them would feel. I hope that makes some kind of sense.
In some cases, it's not how you mean it, it's how other people hear it and feel about it. Especially when you're talking about terms to describe a down-trodden (or previously oppressed) people.
Sooo.........whoo...enough, that's my serious piece, don't make me do that again! I'm here to enjoy. Peace.

[Dr43%er]

Top post.

[natjake2504]

i would just like to say something on this. Not a big emily fan but she did not say that in a racist way she just got caught up in the moment ans said as if a black person would say to another. As big brother have kicked her out they should kick charley out as well as she said the same word a couple of times so why is alright for her to say and not emily.

Last year with shilpa was racist but this wasnt

[001steven]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Charley chose to repeat the (N) word which Emily said to Charley. Even though Emily said that she didn't mean it in a bad way or anything.

I feel personally, that Channel 4 should have made Endemol bleep out the word, instead of showing the full un-cut footage, which contained the (N) word.

That is very bad!!

It makes many people think that it is acceptable to say the (N) word.





nodisharmony

then BB would of been told off off by ofcom or something for hidieng the footage like CBB im glad it got shown to clear it up as i have said Emily DIDNT mean it in an offensive it WAS Charley who thought ' i can get her out now' IMO and MILKED the race card BIG time she could od easily said oh forget about it but she didnt she carried it on untill her plan worked. charley is jusyt as guilty.

[natjake2504]

oh yeah charley defo milked it and then to top it off she was try nicky to milk

come charley do yourself a favor

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by bbmum
I'm just going to throw this out there, and hope you'll still read this...I'm from the States; we are, among other things, notoriously known for national division over slavery at one point, and also for producing many rappers that use the word n*gga in their lyrics. However, it is widely accepted here that it's only acceptable for black rappers and people to use this word. white/or other colored-skin rappers stay away from it. It's a cultural thing, not applying only to the States. The usual reason is this: N*gger is notorious as an insult towards dark-skinned people, and much like the use of B*tch toward females, or any other derogatory term toward the people that it's normally aimed towards, people of these social groups use these terms amongst themselves as a way of taking away the power of these words to hurt. But that IS ONLY when used between people who would be called these words. When any of these terms come from anyone else, the meaning is called into question, as you can't know what that person may really mean by it. Hence, the reason why Eminem may call every other situation in life by very 'offensive' words, but you won't hear him EVER say N*gg*r. It's a matter of respect that you don't call someone else a name unless you could be in that catagory as well....I don't know why, it's just a matter of respect. And out of respect, I don't use terms that I don't know how everyone that could be affected by them would feel. I hope that makes some kind of sense.
In some cases, it's not how you mean it, it's how other people hear it and feel about it. Especially when you're talking about terms to describe a down-trodden (or previously oppressed) people.
Sooo.........whoo...enough, that's my serious piece, don't make me do that again! I'm here to enjoy. Peace.

Great post. Top drawer. I am British but of West Indian ancestry and I couldn't have said it better my self. Postivie Karma to BBmum.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by natalia2504
i would just like to say something on this. Not a big emily fan but she did not say that in a racist way she just got caught up in the moment ans said as if a black person would say to another. As big brother have kicked her out they should kick charley out as well as she said the same word a couple of times so why is alright for her to say and not emily.

Last year with shilpa was racist but this wasnt

Imagine if one white person said to another white person in the house oh you white bastard or you honky, do you think there would be calls for that person to be kicked out? I know it's not overly likely to happen but just say someone even just repeated a term like honky.

[spitfire]

I think its a bit racist to say only one race can use a certain word.

[001steven]

Is everyone forgetting that charley called emily 'Chalky'

[Wiglet]

I've asked a couple of times but when people state certain words have been used I would like to see the evidence to back it up?

I know Emily said what she did because there is proof of that but Charley is being accused of saying all sorts and there has to be evidence to back it up?

Any you tubes etc? Just asking?

[001steven]

its not fair though she called her chalky

[Wiglet]

When did Charley say that word?

I forgive whoever for nicking my karma over me posting this btw.

[001steven]

she said it some time ago before emily called her that word

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by 001steven

then BB would of been told off off by ofcom or something for hidieng the footage like CBB Im glad it got shown to clear it up as i have said Emily DIDNT mean it in an offensive it WAS Charley who thought ' i can get her out now' IMO and MILKED the race card BIG time she could od easily said oh forget about it but she didnt she carried it on untill her plan worked. charley is jusyt as guilty.

I understand what you say 001steven.

But I am afraid that Endemol still had the right to edit out the word, or even the whole conversation & remove Emily for saying the word.

Ofcom would accept that judgement, which is within the law.

The decision to show the un-cut footage was a bad move & makes the (N) word seem acceptable.

The reason I say that, is, that viewers watching will hear the girls say the (N) word numurously & many may repeat the (N) word in the real world. "Children at school. let's say"

It was irresponsible.
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The decision regarding Charley staying in has been made by Endemol.

Nothing in the world will reverse that decision & all angles have been covered, which could be ever covered regarding this matter.

It is unfortunate for Emily & I feel sorry for her.






nodisharmony

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
"The (N) word comes from the word:- "Negro" a black person."

No it's not. Negro. It is the the Portuguese word for black, the colour. "N"-word is a bastardisation of that word, and it only came in to use as the word for black people when the slave trade kicked off with the help of the Portuguese.

So you are very aware of exactly what it means Dr43%er

That is lucky......

Now let's use 900 out of 1000 people as an example.

Ask 1000 people & say, "Does the (N) word come from the word (Negro)"

See what obviously happens

I would say they would say (Yes), regardless of the above explaination

With regards to people calling each other by the names ,"n" word, "p" word and the like, then that is acceptable if there is no offence meant or taken.

Like debating what the word's mean, within a forum, in a thread, titled:- "What's Racism?", or something-somewhere-else.

The one thing people who seem to think it is ok to say it, is that Jackson could say "white piece of trash" like it absolves every racist remark ever made.

I would say that they are both racist remarks, but sometimes, (90% of the time), more than likely, will be viewed differently

I didn't see Jermaine Jackson get chants like:- "Get Jermaine OUT!!!"

Does the 90% have something to do with it??

The 90% being, the majority who would complain about Jade, Jo & Danielle + Emily, but, but, but, the Jermaine incident was so mild, it was almost criminal & very unfair indeed!

The fact is you found it offensive or you would not have brought it up. So, It is ok for you to be offended, but not "n" 's and "p" 's ?

If someone walks up to me & says, "White Tr**h", it won't offend me, as I am personally (un-offended), but, if I saw two people:- A white person & A non-white person saying racist comments to each other, but the white person was prosecuted & the non-white person was let-off, I would call that "unfair"
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I don't recall saying that comment Dr43%er

I have said White, Black, Non-White, but NOT the way you have described it in your last sentance & how you refer to a Black person & a Pakistani person.

It almost looks like you are back to your old ways?

But, I shall excuse you & will assume that you worded it wrongly on THIS occasion, unless you are implying something sinister??

But why that







nodisharmony

[Dr43%er]

"So you are very aware of exactly what it means Dr43%er

That is lucky......

Now let's use 900 out of 1000 people as an example.

Ask 1000 people & say, "Does the (N) word come from the word (Negro)"

See what obviously happens

I would say they would say (Yes), regardless of the above explaination"

Just because 900 of your 1000 sample does not know the meaning and roots of the word does not mean it is so. You made a statement that was incorrect. I corrected it.

[spitfire]

Did anyone see trevor macdonald on tv the other night. Calling bernard manning a white fat bast**d ?

Why arnt there people condeming him ???

Oh I forgot..double standards !!!!!!

[rex3]

Originally posted by spitfire
Did anyone see trevor macdonald on tv the other night. Calling bernard manning a white fat bast**d ?

Why arnt there people condeming him ???

Oh I forgot..double standards !!!!!!

Racism is just when people think there better than others.

When emily said it and Trevor, they werent both thinking of hatred or superiority. Racism equals Ignorant and insecure people.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by rex3

Racism is just when people think there better than others.

So me thinking im better than my brother makes me brotherist?

[rex3]

Originally posted by spitfire

So me thinking Im better than my brother makes me brotherist?

funny how you didnt invclude the point i made in the quote.

but anyway what are you on about, Brotherist. it proves my point lol.

[rex3]

Why has this been moved to the BB8 forum from the serious debates forums

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by rex3
Why has this been moved to the BB8 forum from the serious debates forums

It's bounced back rex3

It is serious, so it belongs in that place.







nodisharmony