[Kizzy]

Hand wringing? ... I dont understand the mocking tones and the refusal to acknowledge that this is bigger than a societal problem, this is a governmental issue whatever we do individually it will never be enough to prevent climate change.

There has to be energy industry changes, legislation to reduce pollution levels and prevent mass extinctions, a global effort.
This is what holds back progress, the 'I'm alright jack' attitude to the issue which denigrates anyone who challenges the status quo.

Can you not see the legions of doctors protesting because infant mortality is rising exponentially here due to air quality?
All we can do is protest for change, campaigning has not worked nobody listened.

We only contribute 2% to global pollution. .. this country is a thousand miles from one end to the other so proportionally on a global scale that is a MASSIVE amount, the commentators at LBC won't share that perspective though as we then look like China who have other priorities over the environment.

Hand wringing. .. pffft!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Hand wringing? ... I dont understand the mocking tones and the refusal to acknowledge that this is bigger than a societal problem, this is a governmental issue whatever we do individually it will never be enough to prevent climate change.

There has to be energy industry changes, legislation to reduce pollution levels and prevent mass extinctions, a global effort.
This is what holds back progress, the 'I'm alright jack' attitude to the issue which denigrates anyone who challenges the status quo.

Can you not see the legions of doctors protesting because infant mortality is rising exponentially here due to air quality?
All we can do is protest for change, campaigning has not worked nobody listened.

We only contribute 2% to global pollution. .. this country is a thousand miles from one end to the other so proportionally on a global scale that is a MASSIVE amount, the commentators at LBC won't share that perspective though as we then look like China who have other priorities over the environment.

Hand wringing. .. pffft!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Will people go without the PlayStation 5 to save the planet? Will you?

Will Brits holiday in the UK to save the planet? Will you?

I will, I already do, and I couldn't give a sh1te about climate change.

The problem with power usage isn't the amount of power used, it's the kind of power used. If renewable energy became the prime power source then it wouldn't matter to the environment if people used electronics or not. It's the use of fossil fuels that are the problem so your attempt to shame younger generations has pretty much fallen on it's face.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The problem with power usage isn't the amount of power used, it's the kind of power used. If renewable energy became the prime power source then it wouldn't matter to the environment if people used electronics or not. It's the use of fossil fuels that are the problem so your attempt to shame younger generations has pretty much fallen on it's face.

That piece I posted was aimed at my generation too. So your observations are wrong again.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

That piece I posted was aimed at my generation too. So your observations are wrong again.

If that's all you're focusing on from that post then you've missed the point, as always.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If that's all you're focusing on from that post then you've missed the point, as always.

I posted a message from a boomer online, and somehow, you've tried to turn it on me.

You just want to argue with me, don't you?

[Kazanne]

According to LBC,this morning Britain is only responsible for 2% of climate change so we are doing something right, these people should target China and the like as if they and similar countries don't comply,what we are doing is absolutely useless, or maybe they could go and clear the beaches etc of rubbish and plastic,they would be sending out a message and doing some good,I think most of us know the planet is in a mess,but if some people don't give a ****,its pointless trying to save it, the planet would probably thrive better without us anyway.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

According to LBC,this morning Britain is only responsible for 2% of climate change so we are doing something right, these people should target China and the like as if they and similar countries don't comply,what we are doing is absolutely useless, or maybe they could go and clear the beaches etc of rubbish and plastic,they would be sending out a message and doing some good,I think most of us know the planet is in a mess,but if some people don't give a ****,its pointless trying to save it, the planet would probably thrive better without us anyway.

Oh okay, we count for so little pollution we may as well just keep expanding until there's no green left and continue using toxic solutions to create energy. Got it.

Polluted areas cause more illnesses, especially among children and the elderly, so it's not just a global problem.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh okay, we count for so little pollution we may as well just keep expanding until there's no green left and continue using toxic solutions to create energy. Got it.

Polluted areas cause more illnesses, especially among children and the elderly, so it's not just a global problem.

I didn't say that Oliver of course we have to keep doing our bit , we are at least trying unlike some countries who aren't , so no you haven't got it, I am all for saving the planet, but, other countries also have to do their bit, I never said we should be building everwhere and using toxic solutions,i don't know where you pulled that from tbh.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I didn't say that Oliver of course we have to keep doing our bit , we are at least trying unlike some countries who aren't , so no you haven't got it, I am all for saving the planet, but, other countries also have to do their bit, I never said we should be building everwhere and using toxic solutions,i don't know where you pulled that from tbh.

For all their faults, Extinction Rebellion don't live in India or China. While I don't agree with their methods, they're doing what they think will make a difference in their own country.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

For all their faults, Extinction Rebellion don't live in India or China. While I don't agree with their methods, they're doing what they think will make a difference in their own country.

I know they are, but it seems to be having a negative effect.

[Tom4784]

I'll always be bemused by parents that are apathetic or downright oppose any kind of environmental action. This is the world your children will inherit.

[Alf]

Just bored people with too much time on their hands and wanting to feel and look important.

People get bored of Peace time, that's why there will always be war.

[Twosugars]

Clap away.

XR and other people will carry on and only get stronger no matter what a few pearl-clutchers on tibb say
This convo is a waste of time

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Clap away.

XR and other people will carry on and only get stronger no matter what a few pearl-clutchers on tibb say
This convo is a waste of time

Not sure you understand the term ‘pearl clutchers’ as you are the one who appears to be doing that, supporting a protest that is achieving nada, even one of the co-founders on the blog I posted yesterday acknowleged that climate change isn’t their primary aim

So pat away :

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not sure you understand the term ‘pearl clutchers’ as you are the one who appears to be doing that, supporting a protest that is achieving nada, even one of the co-founders on the blog I posted yesterday acknowleged that climate change isn’t their primary aim

So pat away :

You don't understand what 'pearl clutching' means if that's what you are leading with, Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You don't understand what 'pearl clutching' means if that's what you are leading with, Cherie.

I believe I do...

[James]

If I ran such a group I would encourage governments to set up a worldwide fund for research and development into new technology that will combat climate change.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

If I ran such a group I would encourage governments to set up a worldwide fund for research and development into new technology that will combat climate change.

That exists.
https://www.who.int/globalchange/fin...ementation/en/

[lewis111]

It's quite difficult because on the one hand, if you want radical change you have to do somewhat radical things. Handing out leaflets and doing pop up stands round the country isn't going to save the planet.
But this group often seem to be more style than substance. They can grab your attention but you don't quite know what they want you or the governments to do.

They need to focus more on solutions and direct meetings etc with politicians and in the media rather than these large demonstrations and protests that seems to somehow go as far to put people often wanting to save the planet

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lewis111

It's quite difficult because on the one hand, if you want radical change you have to do somewhat radical things. Handing out leaflets and doing pop up stands round the country isn't going to save the planet.
But this group often seem to be more style than substance. They can grab your attention but you don't quite know what they want you or the governments to do.

They need to focus more on solutions and direct meetings etc with politicians and in the media rather than these large demonstrations and protests that seems to somehow go as far to put people often wanting to save the planet

You could research that yourself... there have been many many speeches not only by Greta that pinpoint specific areas that require immediate intervention. It's not up to the public to devise a global governmental response is it?

It puts people off wanting to save the planet?.. Is that what you said there, I couldn't quite believe my eyes.

[Kazanne]

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

Trust me, the people advocating all this won't be giving up their lifestyles.

Do as I say, not as I do. That's their message.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

wish this climate change protesting nonsense would stop

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So what exactly do people want to do ? are you prepared to give up the lifestyles you have now to save us,or is it left for just some to do ? I think we can ALL do our bit, but people will not give up thier heating,cars, laptops,phones, Tvs , holidays and game consoles.who hand on heart is prepared to do that, actions speak louder than words,we can all protest about how awful things are , but people need to do something, we are ALL guilty.

Great post Kaz