[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by smudgie

To be fair, if I was going to introduce myself it would simply be by my first name.
If I said I was a cis woman in my circle of friends they wouldn’t have a clue what I was on about.
We are at an age where labels don’t count for a thing, we take things, especially people, on face value.
Live and let live.

But that's my point. Forget about the 'cis' thing for a minute. You wouldn't introduce yourself as a 'woman' in your circle of friends let alone 'cis woman' so it's really not especially relevant.

There are many names/labels for things/people etc in this world that are only relevant at certain times/in certain discussions etc and that's literally all it is. A distinction when discussing trans topics.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

The voice of reason again

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't accept the term cis woman, I am a born woman. And if that upsets people, well, tough.

That said, if someone feels they're in the wrong body, do anything you can to live a full and happy life. But don't decide what I can and can't be called.

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

Therefore you are a cis woman, it’s the same thing.

Thank you Morgan, but I don't need another word or term.

[Twosugars]

My understanding is it only applies when discussing trans issues.

And I dont have a problem with being called a cis man.


The same like I dont object to being called caucasian to describe my race.
Never even been to Caucasus

[Morgan.]

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

Cisgender isn’t some derogatory label given to non-trans people by trans people it’s literally just what someone who identifies the same as what they were born is called.

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

[bots]

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think it very much depends what your social circle is. The term cis just isn't used in my social circle, and the only place i have ever seen it used is on this forum, which is pretty ironic really given that posters are anonymous and we have no idea what sex or gender anyone is

Do you call yourself caucasian in your circle?

It's the same type of a thing, only applies when needed for differentiation

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

Why don't you have the same attitude about every other Latin word that's used in speech? Bizarre.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am

Unless you've ever used the word female, that is

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I prefer born woman. It takes the same amount of time to say, and I don't have to resort to a Latin term to let people know who I am. Trans woman, born women, worth the same, but are different.

I think you’ll find born woman takes 0.87457692 more seconds to say than cis

[Jessica.]

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I can't believe people are refusing to accept being called what they are. In an ideal world it wouldn't matter if people were cis or not, but it does because people who aren't cis are often treated differently because of that fact. If you say you're not cis then it means you don't identify 100% with the gender you were assigned at birth.

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?

[Scarlett.]

And they call us snowflakes

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Dia.

And they call us snowflakes

It's ridiculous

[Jessica.]

A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What privilege do you think men have that transmen don't?

Originally Posted by Jessica.

A Christmas present for all who feel victimised by a certain Latin word beginning with the letter C

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know



Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yeah, trans women are more privileged than me even though a lot of people won't even let them go to the bathroom that they feel more comfortable using in peace. Great point.

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They have been socialised as males, and so have the first foot when it comes to advancing through the world. Transwomen are biologically male, and some women don't want any males in their own spaces. Would you say someone like Boris Johnson is lacking privilege because he can't use the same bathroom as you?

If Boris felt more comfortable using the "ladies" bathroom then I'd have no issue with it and I think it would be silly to deny him of it.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'll answer the question for you as you don't seem to know

Cis men have an advantage over transmen because the former were raised with male socialisation; like it or not we the world is still a patriarchy, and people raised as men have an advantage. That's also why transwomen have privilege over women.

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If a trans woman passes what’s stopping them from experiencing misogyny like a cis woman? Do you think people go around asking what chromosomes someone has before treating them like ****? And that’s excluding all the issues trans people deal with specifically..

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What forms of misogyny do you think they might face? It's hard to answer that question without knowing what you mean.

I've been cat called, whistled at, shouted at, had people staring at my boobs, had boys commenting on my bum behind me while I was walking with my young niece and nephew, I've had guys touching my body when I didn't consent and I've seen jobs (especially here in Portugal) advertised for men only. I've had men assume I must be scared to be alone when my boyfriend works nights. That's not even the half of it. I'm not a particularly attractive woman, but that stuff happens because I'm a woman, no other labels. I have never whined about that stuff happening to me or blamed ALL men because other people have it even worse. It does make you feel like CRAP when it happens though. I can't even comprehend adding being trans to that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

I keep finding myself being addressed as 'cis' in debates.... usually spat with venom

I'll take "things that didn't happen" for 500, Alex.