[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Redway

You still haven’t explained what a Malia crew is LT.

Because i don't have too. Get with it Redway ffs

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

You still haven’t explained what a Malia crew is LT.

Wait, some people might need that explaining to them? Okay


Malia is a place is Greece. People who like hot weather and partying go there. People who choose to holiday there might not be interested in somewhere like the Lake District.

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Wait, some people might need that explaining to them? Okay

Me when people ask how racism is an actual issue in 2019

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Ant.

Me when people ask how racism is an actual issue in 2019

Exactly. Well said.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Wait, some people might need that explaining to them? Okay


Malia is a place is Greece. People who like hot weather and partying go there. People who choose to holiday there might not be interested in somewhere like the Lake District.

It’s more funny how someone like you needs someone to explain what racism is and how it still exists in 2019.

We both know he didn’t bring up Malia in that sense. Why would he mention it in the context of diversity if that’s all he meant by it?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

It’s more funny how someone like you needs someone to explain what racism is and how it still exists in 2019.

I've still not heard how racism is preventing people from going for a walk in the hills

We both know he didn’t bring up Malia in that sense. Why would he mention it in the context of diversity if that’s all he meant by it?

What he said was: good luck getting the Malia crew there or wheelchair users up the peaks

That wasn't relating to diversity. That was relating to Dezzy's comment about encouraging people to go to the Lakes when holidays abroad are so accessible.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've still not heard how racism is preventing people from going for a walk in the hills

It isn't.
I know a Muslim family who holiday in the Lake District for a week every year. They must love being made to feel unwelcome.
Its utter nonsense.

[Strictly Jake]

The lake district doesnt need rowdy pubs and clubs to attract young people

The lake district, very close to me actually, is a beautiful scenic place and in fact places they have tried to make more tourist friendly such as windermere have lost a lot of the beautiful magic

There isnt much to do if your not in to walking, having picnics and admiring the gorgeous views so if that isnt your thing maybe try blackpool, liverpool or manchester

As for me I have loved visiting it since being a baby and I dont want it spoilt by chavvy tourism

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

The lake district doesnt need rowdy pubs and clubs to attract young people

The lake district, very close to me actually, is a beautiful scenic place and in fact places they have tried to make more tourist friendly such as windermere have lost a lot of the beautiful magic

There isnt much to do if your not in to walking, having picnics and admiring the gorgeous views so if that isnt your thing maybe try blackpool, liverpool or manchester

As for me I have loved visiting it since being a baby and I dont want it spoilt by chavvy tourism

Strangely that's why Wordsworth didn't want the railways going to the lakes, he didn't want them bringing the great unwashed... don't you just love Victorian attitudes?....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

The lake district doesnt need rowdy pubs and clubs to attract young people

The lake district, very close to me actually, is a beautiful scenic place and in fact places they have tried to make more tourist friendly such as windermere have lost a lot of the beautiful magic

There isnt much to do if your not in to walking, having picnics and admiring the gorgeous views so if that isnt your thing maybe try blackpool, liverpool or manchester

As for me I have loved visiting it since being a baby and I dont want it spoilt by chavvy tourism

I agree. A beautiful unspoilt area should stay that way - that's the attraction of the LD! Its as if there isn't hundreds of other places to choose from to holiday in..talk about taking diversity to extremes...that is just getting beyond ridiculous.

[smudgie]

Must have changed one hell of a lot the last couple of years.
A lot of the caravan parks are open and pretty full The 10 months they are open.
The tourers are mainly people with young families.
The statics on ours had kids and teens visiting and staying all through as well.
The main towns and the actual Lakes don’t need to advertise..you can’t move in season.
I am not saying you can climb the fells in a wheelchair, but there is still plenty to see and do, and all are made very welcome in my experience.

[Marsh.]

Not Cherie owning a whole street by Bowness?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not Cherie owning a whole street by Bowness?

Keeps me out of mischief

[arista]

[James]

I think this discussion you're having shows how the social media / Twitter thing of reducing a story to a couple of sentences ends up missing the point of the issue. It was the Lake District tourist guy using words like 'diversity' and 'white', which seems to be trigger words to set off a 5-page debate.

It might be a help to copy and paste a whole article about the story. When you read it the main point of contention (which is being missed) seems to be how much car-access to allow in the area - whether to put down tarmac in a certain area.

Lake District 'must change' to attract more diverse visitors

Gerard Tubb - North of England correspondent

Sunday 29 December 2019 15:58, UK



The head of the Lake District National Park Authority in Cumbria says the rugged landscape excludes too many people and must change to attract a more diverse mix of visitors.

His warning comes after attempts to make the UNESCO World Heritage site more inclusive have sparked a series of rows with conservationists.

The authority is facing a High Court judicial review in the New Year over its refusal to ban 4x4 vehicles from some fell trails, while Keswick Town Council has passed a vote of no confidence in it over the creation of a tarmac path through woodland.


"We need to be able to sell the national park to everybody in Britain, all society, and it's important that it doesn't just become exclusive to one single use group," he said.


"The moment we get into that position I think national parks start to lose their relevance and therefore the very reason for calling it a national park and spending public money."


Research shows visitors to the Lake District, where the rugged fells inspired the romantic poets and author Beatrix Potter, are too heavily weighted towards older, able-bodied white people.



But conservationists have accused the park authority of launching an attack on the beauty and tranquillity of the area.

A crowdfunding effort to challenge the authority's "refusal to stop 4x4s and motorbikes ruining one of the most beautiful places in England" has raised more than £30,000 and will go to the High Court in 2020.

Meanwhile, an £8m project to create an accessible multi-user trail with a tarmac surface between Keswick and Threlkeld has been condemned by Keswick Town Council.

The scheme, which will be completed at the end of 2020, was designed to replace a traditional stone-surfaced path that was destroyed by Storm Desmond in 2015.


Paul Titley, a businessman who retired to the Lake District and who is now Keswick's deputy mayor, believes visitors have no right to paths that aren't muddy and should accept the environment as it is or go elsewhere.

"We have a phenomenal selection of outdoor clothing shops here for a reason - come and buy them, come and put them on and get yourself out in the hills," he said.

"If you get wet it won't hurt you, if you get cold put something else on."

A government-commissioned report into the future of Britain's protected landscapes which was published in September 2019 criticised national parks for not doing enough to make people welcome.


The author, writer Julian Glover, described them as an "exclusive, mainly white, mainly middle‐class club, with rules only members understand and much too little done to encourage first-time visitors".

Mr Leafe told Sky News he sees the controversies in Cumbria as part of the debate about who national parks are for.

"We are deficient in terms of young people, we are deficient in terms of black and minority ethnic communities and we are not particularly well-visited by those who are less able in terms of their mobility," he said.

"Our challenge is to see what we can do to reverse that, to encourage people from broader backgrounds and a wider range of personal mobilities into the national park to be able to benefit in the same way that those other groups do."

https://news.sky.com/story/lake-dist...itors-11897034


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Loughrigg Tarn lake in the Lake District National Park, Cumbria.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by James

I think this discussion you're having shows how the social media / Twitter thing of reducing a story to a couple of sentences ends up missing the point of the issue. It was the Lake District tourist guy using words like 'diversity' and 'white', which seems to be trigger words to set off a 5-page debate.

It might be a help to copy and paste a whole article about the story. When you read it the main point of contention (which is being missed) seems to be how much car-access to allow in the area - whether to put down tarmac in a certain area.



https://news.sky.com/story/lake-dist...itors-11897034


Here's a nice picture for the Tapatalk thumbnail.


Loughrigg Tarn lake in the Lake District National Park, Cumbria.

yes i think i made the point about finding out what would fail to trigger the grant and addressing that small part as cost effectively as possible, which is what every other business does

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by James

I think this discussion you're having shows how the social media / Twitter thing of reducing a story to a couple of sentences ends up missing the point of the issue. It was the Lake District tourist guy using words like 'diversity' and 'white', which seems to be trigger words to set off a 5-page debate.

It might be a help to copy and paste a whole article about the story. When you read it the main point of contention (which is being missed) seems to be how much car-access to allow in the area - whether to put down tarmac in a certain area.



https://news.sky.com/story/lake-dist...itors-11897034


Here's a nice picture for the Tapatalk thumbnail.


Loughrigg Tarn lake in the Lake District National Park, Cumbria.

I did raise the 4x4 issue James, seems to me then that the lakes are being blackmailed ... they won't ban 4x4s so the next step is to widen paths to accommodate them in the name of 'accessibility' or lose funding.

[Kizzy]

'Farmers say the number of 4x4 tours taking tourists between High Tilberthwaite and Langdale increased from 30 a month in 2004 to up to 400 a month in 2017, destroying the tranquillity of the valley and eroding landscape.

The decision was made despite an online petition of 300,000 signatures and arguments from the trust and The International Council.'

So private enterprise is being favoured over the rights of the people of the lakes?

Of course it is.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/l...ours-l8b9q7wz3

[Parmy]

The middle aged of the 90s were thatchers youth...


I was thatchers youth and was far from middle aged in the 90s fgs. 1 turned 30 in 2000.. more agism..nothing else.

[Parmy]

1979 to 1990.....making me 9yr old to 20yr old from the day she left...


And making me no more than 30 when the 90s ended..


Is that middle aged now?...30...ffs...laughable..absolutely laughable.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

1979 to 1990.....making me 9yr old to 20yr old from the day she left...


And making me no more than 30 when the 90s ended..


Is that middle aged now?...30...ffs...laughable..absolutely laughable.

So you are an example of Thatchers youth...I'm not suggesting for a second that you personally are racist you understand.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you are an example of Thatchers youth...I'm not suggesting for a second that you personally are racist you understand.

you are though....just own it

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

you are though....just own it

Nope ... all I said was, if you look that they weren't LESS likely to be racist.
And you're definately not less likely to be, it could be argued that thatchers youth are MORE likely to be.

I'm a product of Thatchers youth too, so it's all subjective.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope ... all I said was, if you look that they weren't LESS likely to be racist.
And you're definately not less likely to be, it could be argued that thatchers youth are MORE likely to be.

I'm a product of Thatchers youth too, so it's all subjective.

Ok..but even if it turns out that they are more likely to be racist surely that's down to parenting and not maggie thatcher?

[Tom4784]

It's always telling when people are more offended about the suggestion of racism than racism itself.