[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I dunno, he might get Covid and die

We don't ill will people TS...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We don't ill will people TS...

I didn't wish it on him, I just said it might happen

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We don't ill will people TS...

The **** has a record number of children dying in his internment camps, his mismanagement of Corona has killed thousands and will kill far more before all is said and done and he brought us close to a WW3 situation just to help his election chances. Never mind the blatant corruption and everything else he's done.

When that man dies, I will crack open the champagne and wish him all the best in Hell.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The **** has a record number of children dying in his internment camps, his mismanagement of Corona has killed thousands and will kill far more before all is said and done and he brought us close to a WW3 situation just to help his election chances. Never mind the blatant corruption and everything else he's done.

When that man dies, I will crack open the champagne and wish him all the best in Hell.

You're a bad witch babs .... but you have a point.

[Crimson Dynamo]

On January 14, more than a month after the first infections at this seafood
market are thought to have taken place, the WHO tweeted saying China had
found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission

[user104658]

We will have no idea who/where made the right call until the threat of the virus is over (it isn't yet, anywhere) and what the resulting economic fallout looks like (spoiler: it is probably going to be absolutely ****ing catastrophic).

I have no idea how anyone is managing to make firm judgement calls on "which places got it right" at the moment. It's a bold choice when we're 3 months into a problem that's going to define an entire decade.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We will have no idea who/where made the right call until the threat of the virus is over (it isn't yet, anywhere) and what the resulting economic fallout looks like (spoiler: it is probably going to be absolutely ****ing catastrophic).

I have no idea how anyone is managing to make firm judgement calls on "which places got it right" at the moment. It's a bold choice when we're 3 months into a problem that's going to define an entire decade.

they are not TS

they are venting their political prejudice disguised (badly) as apolitical comment on how the virus has been handled

and many cant see the irony when criticising DT for doing just that

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

they are not TS

they are venting their political prejudice disguised (badly) as apolitical comment on how the virus has been handled

and many cant see the irony when criticising DT for doing just that

i don't look into this crisis from a politically perspective though

no one does

honestly if Donnie wants to criticize people he also needs to do that to himself, the things he did wrong (but that ain't never gonna happen)

[Trouble1321075]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i don't look into this crisis from a politically perspective though



no one does



honestly if Donnie wants to criticize people he also needs to do that to himself, the things he did wrong (but that ain't never gonna happen)

Does that rule apply to everyone or just Trump? I have not heard anyone on the left or from the WHO or any other group admit any fault lies upon themselves.

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We will have no idea who/where made the right call until the threat of the virus is over (it isn't yet, anywhere) and what the resulting economic fallout looks like (spoiler: it is probably going to be absolutely ****ing catastrophic).

I have no idea how anyone is managing to make firm judgement calls on "which places got it right" at the moment. It's a bold choice when we're 3 months into a problem that's going to define an entire decade.

Nobody is making a firm judgement... the advice was there, no it wasn't specific to every country in the world but it was up to individual countries to take the advice and scale it to fit them...not totally disregard it and make your own decisions then start laying blame.

Trump is blaming the WHO and the media, our govt are blaming our scientists all to cover the fact they've failed in their response.

[Trouble1321075]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody is making a firm judgement... the advice was there, no it wasn't specific to every country in the world but it was up to individual countries to take the advice and scale it to fit them...not totally disregard it and make your own decisions then start laying blame.



Trump is blaming the WHO and the media, our govt are blaming our scientists all to cover the fact they've failed in their response.

The advice was where exactly???
The WHO was critical of Trump when he initiated his travel bans and was arguing that this was not something large enough to concern the US. They were arguing that people should not majorly change our normal behaviors well into February.

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Trouble1321075

The advice was where exactly???
The WHO was critical of Trump when he initiated his travel bans and was arguing that this was not something large enough to concern the US. They were arguing that people should not majorly change our normal behaviors well into February.

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Alex?..

The WHO has a timeline of updates, of course individual advice or requests from specific countries will have been available too.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...as-they-happen

[Trouble1321075]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Alex?..

The WHO has a timeline of updates, of course individual advice or requests from specific countries will have been available too.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...as-they-happen

What in that link am I supposed say that WHO acted effectively?

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[DouglasS]

I mean China did hide information about the coronavirus for weeks and allegedly kept all their scientists silent who mentioned it. Had China acted properly thousands of lives across the world would be fine, it must be frustrating when USA are donating 5x more than China

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I mean China did hide information about the coronavirus for weeks and allegedly kept all their scientists silent who mentioned it. Had China acted properly thousands of lives across the world would be fine, it must be frustrating when USA are donating 5x more than China

Blaming China at this point does nothing though, assign blame when it's all over, defunding the WHO organisation is just dangerous in the middle of a pandemic and it's a purely political move on Trump's part.

Every highly affected country lacked the foresight to make the necessary decisions to prevent the pandemic, most of them don't even have adequate measures in place to begin with. Bill Gates and others highlighted this issue back when Ebola was at risk of ravaging the world but the governments didn't listen.

Assign blame for the origin of the virus when it's just a memory, drag China over the coals at that point, but for now we should just focus on we're doing to fight it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Blaming China at this point does nothing though, assign blame when it's all over, defunding the WHO organisation is just dangerous in the middle of a pandemic and it's a purely political move on Trump's part.

Every highly affected country lacked the foresight to make the necessary decisions to prevent the pandemic, most of them don't even have adequate measures in place to begin with. Bill Gates and others highlighted this issue back when Ebola was at risk of ravaging the world but the governments didn't listen.

Assign blame for the origin of the virus when it's just a memory, drag China over the coals at that point, but for now we should just focus on we're doing to fight it.

I don't think the world can afford to wait given the wet markets have reopened, what if another strain of this virus emerges on the back of this one?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think the world can afford to wait given the wet markets have reopened, what if another strain of this virus emerges on the back of this one?

That's not assigning blame though, that's demanding China do something. That's different to defunding a health organisation in the middle of a pandemic. The former is a preventative measure, the latter is a political move.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's not assigning blame though, that's demanding China do something. That's different to defunding a health organisation in the middle of a pandemic. The former is a preventative measure, the latter is a political move.

I'm not talking about the WHO, I think the world needs to look at what China is doing right now rather than ignoring

[Trouble1321075]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Blaming China at this point does nothing though, assign blame when it's all over, defunding the WHO organisation is just dangerous in the middle of a pandemic and it's a purely political move on Trump's part.



Every highly affected country lacked the foresight to make the necessary decisions to prevent the pandemic, most of them don't even have adequate measures in place to begin with. Bill Gates and others highlighted this issue back when Ebola was at risk of ravaging the world but the governments didn't listen.



Assign blame for the origin of the virus when it's just a memory, drag China over the coals at that point, but for now we should just focus on we're doing to fight it.

Why is defunding the WHO dangerous? They were and continue to be largely ineffective in protecting us from the virus. From my laymen perspective it would seem some meaningful reforms are in order. What is the justification to pump money into them, Until those reforms are in motion?

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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Trouble1321075

Why is defunding the WHO dangerous? They were and continue to be largely ineffective in protecting us from the virus. From my laymen perspective it would seem some meaningful reforms are in order. What is the justification to pump money into them, Until those reforms are in motion?

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It's dumb to blame the WHO when every heavily affected country didn't take the warnings to heart, governments knew about this **** for ages and the WHO's advice has been the same but places like the US have disregarded that information. When the world is in the midst of a pandemic, you don't start to target organisations that can help end the crisis, especially when it's just for political gain.

Blaming the WHO just furthers Trump's agenda of shifting blame. You have countries that are getting the virus under control, like South Korea because they heeded advice and went above and beyond in their response despite being hit hard to begin with. Trump went golfing and did what he always does, blame everyone else but the man in charge, himself.

The US is being ravaged and will be ravaged further by the virus and it's the government's fault and Trump's fault for spreading misinformation and being slow. Trump tried to make out that the coronavirus was just a Democratic ruse, after all...

[Trouble1321075]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's dumb to blame the WHO when every heavily affected country didn't take the warnings to heart, governments knew about this **** for ages and the WHO's advice has been the same but places like the US have disregarded that information. When the world is in the midst of a pandemic, you don't start to target organisations that can help end the crisis, especially when it's just for political gain.



Blaming the WHO just furthers Trump's agenda of shifting blame. You have countries that are getting the virus under control, like South Korea because they heeded advice and went above and beyond in their response despite being hit hard to begin with. Trump went golfing and did what he always does, blame everyone else but the man in charge, himself.



The US is being ravaged and will be ravaged further by the virus and it's the government's fault and Trump's fault for spreading misinformation and being slow. Trump tried to make out that the coronavirus was just a Democratic ruse, after all...

Shifting blame from who?
Is the WHO above scrutiny?
Please cite the warning that the WHO gave and were ignored...
Trump did more than what the WHO recommended and it still wasn't enough. If Trump is at fault here, the WHO shares some of that responsibility.

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[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I mean China did hide information about the coronavirus for weeks and allegedly kept all their scientists silent who mentioned it. Had China acted properly thousands of lives across the world would be fine, it must be frustrating when USA are donating 5x more than China

They aren't donating 5x.

It's no secret that China have to be handled with kid gloves, if the WHO hadn't handled this diplomatically then the would have been kicked out of China and the first we'd have known of Covid 19 would be when people were dropping dead in the street.

They went in, they assessed the development of the virus and given the information they recieved their advice was as it is now... little has changed.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They aren't donating 5x.

It's no secret that China have to be handled with kid gloves, if the WHO hadn't handled this diplomatically then the would have been kicked out of China and the first we'd have known of Covid 19 would be when people were dropping dead in the street.

They went in, they assessed the development of the virus and given the information they recieved their advice was as it is now... little has changed.

true, WHO have been monitoring this virus since it got out of control in China


chinese government themselves could've prevented a lot tbh, they had silenced that scientist ''bat woman'' she already knew about coronavirusses in multiple bat caves, so if government had acted as they should've this pandemic might've been prevented

but past is in the past, we are now where we are, and we cannot turn back time unfortunately

[arista]

Dezzy it gets him more Votes
the November Election
matters to him.

[Beso]

Does this mean who won't be wasting resources to organise this stupid and pointless concert now?