[arista]

[Nicky91]

we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules

never going to happen, that would kill millions from poverty

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

never going to happen, that would kill millions from poverty

not exactly our fault since our EU is going to protect us, apart from that one country who left them (who won't have advantages from the covid package fund)

Health is number one priority, and number one danger at the moment is corona, not poverty


poverty you can easily solve taking some money from super rich and giving it to the poor

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

we need second national lockdowns

people need to be ordered to stay home if they can't obey the other rules

I don't think it would be supported in the UK.
I think the last one shouldn't have been opened as quick and as much.

I've heard those saying if pubs are closing earlier, they'll just go out earlier to them to make up for that.

It's the vulnerable and elderly I worry over.
The government here has been awful, trying to coax more and more people out into society and work..
Then trying to slap them down.

Wild moonshot statements, irresponsibly made by the man leading the Country..
There's a huge dangerously sad joke in itself.
When the basic testing is in. chaos

I don't think the support is there for a full lockdown .
People are growing in their loss of confidence in this government.
Although there are those diehard and uncaring Tories who will support this useless leader we have, no matter what devastation he brings to others lives.

I wouldn't be having universities going back at this time either.

This is heading to be a shambles of an even bigger mess than 6 months ago.

Then we've a health secretary who can only deceive and lie too.
This is just like groundhog day with this government.
It's like we've stepped back almost 6 months rather than move on at all.

[Nicky91]

basically it confirms Farage as one of those anti-maskers morons who believe corona is a hoax

[bots]

every country is facing the same problems, and this idealistic notion that a vaccine will save the day is just fantasy. We have to get used to the fact that covid is with us now. Shield the old and vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life. Restrictions are untenable, people will not accept them long term

[Cherie]

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

if people cannot stick by the rules on their own, force them with a lockdown and this time a whole lot stricter, with armed military patrolling the streets 24/7

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

if people cannot stick by the rules on their own, force them with a lockdown and this time a whole lot stricter, with armed military patrolling the streets 24/7

You can have that in the Netherlands Nicky, the problem is there is no end in sight with this virus so we gave to learn to live with it, locking people up will not work at all.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

Exactly....every time we come out we will be back in this situation if people don't follow the advice and rules.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

there is no point in it at all, it won't be effective, and the police would not be able to enforce it

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What is the point of another lockdown, selfish people need to change their habits, another lockdown won’t help with that

How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.

People were fed up with the lockdown by May, they won't do it again. The government could bring in 100 laws, it doesn't matter. People will live their lives as they want to. If the government try to do anything more than shield the vulnerable there will be a huge backlash

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.

A lockdown would destroy the economy, a destroyed economy will also lead to a loss of many lives, including the vulnerable.

The downfall of the economy has so many other impacts, including more deaths

[Kazanne]

I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.

you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people

people don't need to do anything nicky, laws are only enforceable if people want to abide by them, and people wont abide by any new lockdown

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people don't need to do anything nicky, laws are only enforceable if people want to abide by them, and people wont abide by any new lockdown

i think we all know Health comes first, and not your unnecessary socializing

forgive me pls for being kinda over the top, but i'm feeling annoyed no one feels same way as i do

i care also about UK, which is why i get bit cautious when it comes to this virus


as for my own country, we also do not enough, we should go for another lockdown as well


countries who i applaud are Australia, Denmark, New Zealand, Austria, Iceland, kinda Norway too since they are still doing sort of well despite easing down of some measures, even some people in audiences of sports matches they do better with distancing than in my country (was very annoyed to see so many people next to each other yesterday at feyenoord match in rotterdam one of corona hotspots currently here and nothing being said about it on news either this morning)



yes i admit i am ProLockdown, since i think precautions are best to go for rather than wait until its too late

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

you speak nonsense in this post lol


people do not have to decide anything for themselves, they MUST comply to the rules and STAY HOME

maybe it is indeed better to take freedom away from people

Of course people decide whether to abide by rules or not, they cannot be forced to do anything.so nonsense to you and others but not to me,

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.

Of course it's the government but then you'd say what you have anyway.

They are the ones getting the scientific and public health advice.
They are the ones who DECIDE and dictate what's needed to protect as near all as possible.

If it's not the government with their confusing messaging, contradictory too.
One day saying get everyone back to work and the cities.
Get pubs and restaurants open with NOT the relevant checks in place.

The testing chaos which has to be led by government and the science.
Which has become a dangerous farce.

Who else is to blame.

I hate the media, however they're only printing the endless contradictory messaging from government.
It's the media that have helped expose the testing tripe this government spouts out.
It's the media who highlighted the losses of Doctors and Nurses lives for lack of protection equipment.
It's the media too who helped expose the cruel sacrificing of elderly in care homes too.

Things this rotten Government all tried to cover up.

I know who I to blame, and I'd be saying this no matter what Government was in.
I'd never even think of trying to defend the indefensible.
It's this disgraceful PM and his government,as to the scandal he's presided over all through in this pandemic.
Of UNNECESSARY deaths of peoples loved ones.
Leaving devastation in the lives of those mourning lost loved ones too.

This government who now cannot and hadn't been for ages, even publicly sending condolences to all bereaved.

Odious creeps are what we have in this Cabinet, nothing else in my view.

[Cherie]

Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all

The North East had one of the least problems originally with this, I believe.
They've only just had new restrictions, not any great lockdown put in place.

However, the whole Country was in lockdown from March.
The flare ups in ALL the areas affected have followed the easing of lockdown.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all

was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol

There didn't need to be Nicky.

That area of the UK was one of the least affected.
The problem there has arisen since the government eased lockdown and sent the message, get back to pubs, restaurants, eat cheaply Monday to Wednesday.
Get back to the offices and populate the town centre again.
Acting like the danger was near over.

That's where the problem has arisen.