[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

safe space and all that

Then don't go in? All views (apart from those that advocate violence, obvs) deserve a space.

[arista]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If someone's been booked to speak at a university, why should their audience be denied it? People who don't like the speaker don't have to attend

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers. This is akin to saying it's traditional to allow young students to be effectively indoctrinated via right wing mouthpieces.

[Ammi]

Laurence Fox to set up new political party dubbed 'Ukip for culture'...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...-a4557171.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

King Danny...literally

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Then don't go in? All views (apart from those that advocate violence, obvs) deserve a space.

that's not the way things are done at universities these days, and like i say, hate speech isn't tolerated no matter the banner it is under

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that's not the way things are done at universities these days, and like i say, hate speech isn't tolerated no matter the banner it is under

Hm I guess that's why the rules need to be changed People saying hateful things only shoots themselves in the foot, so give them enough rope tbh. I don't keep up with the "deplatformings" but most of them weren't even hatefu tbh. People like Amber Rudd and Julie Bindel are fine.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers. This is akin to saying it's traditional to allow young students to be effectively indoctrinated via right wing mouthpieces.

To be fair I would say if there's a policy of not allowing extreme speech then that should be what it is, it shouldn't be politically partisan. If you don't allow a hard right speaker (and I definitely understand the reasons for that) then you shouldn't allow hard left speakers either. Personally I am inclined to think that Universities are not places to be used as mouthpieces for any extreme in a lecture/monologue situation. I think if you're going to book people with extreme views, it should be for a live debate alongside opposing viewpoints (and moderates). Very little to be gained by giving any person or group with strong political views a "soapbox", especially with young students who are mostly still figuring out their political leanings. They need space to do that.

[Liam-]

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

It'll go exactly the same way as Brexit Party and Change UK.

i.e. nowhere.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I have a feeling the ‘please let us be bigots in the open’ party won’t do very well

...I don’t know, it’s just not catchy enough...the 3 word slogan is the way, I feel, roll like Boris does...Be Better Bigot...?..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Laurence Fox to set up new political party dubbed 'Ukip for culture'...

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/l...-a4557171.html

Only Due to a Very Rich Conservative backer.


[former
Tory donor Jeremy Hosking.]


Without his Cash
he has nothing.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My point being if he is saying this is not a left or right issue it clearly is as it only affects right wing speakers.

Hmmm ... even if he was brought to the issue by "deplatforming" in universities, free speech is something that every reasonable person should be behind.

[Tom4784]

I look forward to his party flopping like his acting career and attempts to be Katie Hopkins did.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I look forward to his party flopping like his acting career and attempts to be Katie Hopkins did.

It's not his money
so Lozza will not care

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t know, it’s just not catchy enough...the 3 word slogan is the way, I feel, roll like Boris does...Ke Ketter Kigot...?..

fixed it for you

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

It's not his money
so Lozza will not care

His name is attributed to it, he'll look like a bigger joke than he does already when it quietly dies on it's arse.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair I would say if there's a policy of not allowing extreme speech then that should be what it is, it shouldn't be politically partisan. If you don't allow a hard right speaker (and I definitely understand the reasons for that) then you shouldn't allow hard left speakers either. Personally I am inclined to think that Universities are not places to be used as mouthpieces for any extreme in a lecture/monologue situation. I think if you're going to book people with extreme views, it should be for a live debate alongside opposing viewpoints (and moderates). Very little to be gained by giving any person or group with strong political views a "soapbox", especially with young students who are mostly still figuring out their political leanings. They need space to do that.

Define 'hard left' do we know any hard left speakers? What are their views?
We do know some that have been prevented from speaking at uni, Toby Young, Katie Hopkins that Milo wotsit guy.

There is plenty to gain from having all the future voters singing from the same songbook. And as the country lurches further and further right how could you facilitate this covertly? By framing it as 'tradition'.

[Nicky91]

Hosking looks like a huge fool, salty ex-Tory trying to bring his former party down

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

His name is attributed to it, he'll look like a bigger joke than he does already when it quietly dies on it's arse.

Maybe or Maybe not

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

fixed it for you

How about 'Keep Karens Kingdom!'

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Hmmm ... even if he was brought to the issue by "deplatforming" in universities, free speech is something that every reasonable person should be behind.

That very much depends on the person on the platform... free speech is noble but hate speech? How 'reasonable' do you have to be before you can differentiate between the two?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Old Laurence certainly seems to get peoples attention that is for sure

[Marsh.]

As if he knows the meaning of culture.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That very much depends on the person on the platform... free speech is noble but hate speech? How 'reasonable' do you have to be before you can differentiate between the two?

I don't see the need to differentiate until someone actively calls for violence, they should be able to be hateful as they like.