[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Why does everything have to be 'you can do this but you can't do that' and so devisive these days?
You can show support by taking the knee and you can boo because you don't agree with taking the knee for whatever reason. Both responses are called 'freedom of expression'. Humans just don't march in lockstep, they never have and they never will. The more they are pushed to conform one way or the other in current issues, the more deeply entrenched their own stance becomes. Human nature again.

You're asking why does everything have to be so divisive and THEN suggesting it's perfectly fine for people to boo a call for racial equality?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

In regards to racism, it really isn't.

It’s better to see acts of racism than let it go un noticed and unchallenged.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s better to see acts of racism than let it go un noticed and unchallenged.

How is taking the knee letting it go unnoticed?

It's doing exactly what you suggest, publicly condemning it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

How is taking the knee letting it go unnoticed?

It's doing exactly what you suggest, publicly condemning it.

The fact that fans were booing will make the headlines not that the players took the iknee.

People need to see and hear Racism so it can be challenged.

[Shaun]

"Both responses are called freedom of expression" - in an environment catered to by a business. The football governing bodies are well within their rights to dictate what is and isn't allowed within a club's stadium, and if Millwall had any sense, they'll be issuing bans to idiots who follow suit. To even compare the two "responses" is just... alarming, though. One is a quiet gesture, the other is aggressive noise. One calls for racial equality, the other can't get to grips with what that means and reacts angrily to things they don't understand.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Shaun

"Both responses are called freedom of expression" - in an environment catered to by a business. The football governing bodies are well within their rights to dictate what is and isn't allowed within a club's stadium, and if Millwall had any sense, they'll be issuing bans to idiots who follow suit. To even compare the two "responses" is just... alarming, though. One is a quiet gesture, the other is aggressive noise. One calls for racial equality, the other can't get to grips with what that means and reacts angrily to things they don't understand.

No moral comparison was being made. The footballers have a right to take the knee and some spectators have a right to show their disapproval.You don’t have to agree with peoples actions or opinions to believe they have the right to express them. Freedom of expression and freedom of speech (within the law or rules of a particular entity) are as vital to a democratic society as the right to strive for equality for all its citizens.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

No moral comparison was being made. The footballers have a right to take the knee and some spectators have a right to show their disapproval.You don’t have to agree with peoples actions or opinions to believe they have the right to express them. Freedom of expression and freedom of speech (within the law or rules of a particular entity) are as vital to a democratic society as the right to strive for equality for all its citizens.

Freedom of expression is not being able to be racist or support racism publicly and freely without consequence. Especially in someone else's space who do not tolerate it.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Freedom of expression is not being able to be racist or support racism publicly and freely without consequence. Especially in someone else's space who do not tolerate it.

I've said a piece on this incident earlier.
With so few there, it should be easy to identify the ones who booed.
Then just bar them coming again if they are going to act so disrespectfully.

It must be easy to find out who did at this time.

As to your post above Marsh, I agree 100% to what you've said.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've said a piece on this incident earlier.
With so few there, it should be easy to identify the ones who booed.
Then just bar them coming again if they are going to act so disrespectfully.

It must be easy to find out who did at this time.

As to your post above Marsh, I agree 100% to what you've said.

Spot on, Joey.

[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

https://youtu.be/f-A-ZiQsuUk

Disgusting, absolutely sick.

Yes they think its Trendy.


But BLM Political are dangerous

[Kizzy]

Where's the respect? Where's it written that you can't express support for anyone on a human level...it's not political in the slightest.
If you want to show support take the knee, if you don't. .don't. Why mock those that do? Baying like pack of baboons isn't going to stop them, and effectively this aggressively negative reaction by certain 'fans' compounds just why that support is needed.

[Oliver_W]

People don't watch football games for boring "virtue signals" relating to foreign countries, especially when it's something the media didn't shut up about all summer.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People don't watch football games for boring "virtue signals" relating to foreign countries, especially when it's something the media didn't shut up about all summer.

Yet racism is a problem in football. Not heard you complain that you don't watch football for that.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yet racism is a problem in football.

How is it?

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How is it?

Have you not heard of black players being racially abused by fans? Racism is a big problem in football, hence the Kick It Out campaign. Listen to the likes of Stirling, Rashford telling of the abuse they've had directed at them from fans and then tell them that racism isn't still rife in the game

[bots]

Taking the knee does nothing for me personally, but as long as there is racism in football, i see nothing wrong with drawing attention and support for the cause. The booing just shows that there is still a long way to go

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

How is it?

Oh is this the bit when you pretend racism isn't an issue?

Not interested, Oliver.

[Nicky91]

it is kinda unacceptable those fans are booing their own players for just doing a good thing, being against racism


i hope the UEFA hasn't seen this (cuz if so, and they are very much anti-racism, i can see the team being fined for the actions of the supporters, since UEFA wants best behaviour possible from all fans)


chants, singing, cheering is allowed, as long as it's not racist, homophobic or insulting with diseases or rude

[Oliver_W]

It's a shame there's not an organisation other than BLM for celebs to get behind. When they trigger violent riots after a black guy was shot for running at the cops with a knife, it's clear they just want an excuse to riot.

[Kizzy]

“The players have come out and said they don’t support the political aspect, but they do support the anti-discrimination aspect of it … The club does an enormous amount of work on anti-racism.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...d-says-eustice

[Tom4784]

Milwall supporters are a bunch of racist violent scum anyway. I don't even follow football but that club's reputation is just that gross.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Milwall supporters are a bunch of racist violent scum anyway. I don't even follow football but that club's reputation is just that gross.

My 3 friends who attended yesterdays game definitely ain't violent or racist.

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Milwall supporters are a bunch of racist violent scum anyway. I don't even follow football but that club's reputation is just that gross.

I disagree with you a bit here Dezzy I’ll be honest. All football clubs have their fair share of fans who are pretty awful and unpleasant and Millwall admittedly in the past have shown to have a wider portion of fans that fall into this category than some other clubs. I agree where you say that Millwall have a poor reputation but it doesn’t represent the whole fan base.

There are fans of Millwall who support the club, that are very respectful and don’t share the same views as those booing before yesterday’s game and don't follow and agree with the hooliganism that’s attached to the club so I think it’s unfair to tarnish those fans with that brush. Those people just want to support their club and enjoy watching a game of football.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Dogeatdog

I disagree with you a bit here Dezzy I’ll be honest. All football clubs have their fair share of fans who are pretty awful and unpleasant and Millwall admittedly in the past have shown to have a wider portion of fans that fall into this category than some other clubs. I agree where you say that Millwall have a poor reputation but it doesn’t represent the whole fan base.

There are fans of Millwall who support the club, that are very respectful and don’t share the same views as those booing before yesterday’s game and don't follow and agree with the hooliganism that’s attached to the club so I think it’s unfair to tarnish those fans with that brush. Those people just want to support their club and enjoy watching a game of football.

I appreciate what you're trying to say but arent you shocked and stunned that such a small sample of Millwall fans still contained this element. To the best of my knowledge this didnt happen at any other ground. I think its difficult to defend Millwall fans over this instance.

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I appreciate what you're trying to say but arent you shocked and stunned that such a small sample of Millwall fans still contained this element. To the best of my knowledge this didnt happen at any other ground. I think its difficult to defend Millwall fans over this instance.

Oh yes definitely GiRTh, it’s such a disrespectful thing to do considering everything that has happened so far this year and it really does show that we are very far from kicking racism out of football at the moment, it was very disappointing to see those fans react this way yesterday. I do find it worrying that there is the possibility of this happening in other fixtures too judging by some comments I’ve seen from various posters on other sites where they believed the Millwall fans were right in what they did.

I’ve seen comments that it apparently happened in the West Ham game yesterday but I haven’t actually been able to find evidence of it happening so I don’t believe it to be true.

I just feel bad for the Millwall fans that disagreed with what happened yesterday since they will be tarnished with the same brush is all.