[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They have to have a referral though, from jobcentre, or social or something like that. Its not just a shop they rock up at and get free stuff, thus freeing money for other things.



Also, you can only get a couple of referrals per year apparently.



So the amount of people using foodbanks as free shopping to buy more alcohol and stuff, is minuscule if anything. And they cannot do it repeatedly anyway..

Interesting ... I presumed people just walked in a queued up as and when they pleased ..


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[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Interesting ... I presumed people just walked in a queued up as and when they pleased ..


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Nah, thats a common misconception, pushed by the right wing press generally.

Some people might take the piss 2/3 weeks a year and spend their benefits on booze or whatever, but it is not a thing that can be ongoing, at all. So many do think they can just turn up and get it as often as possible so there simply must be many parents using their benefit on booze, when in reality, people have to jump through hoops to get a food bank voucher, and theres safeguards in place to ensure pisstaking cannot happen also. Fairly decent system really, the chance of fraud is quite tiny.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah, thats a common misconception, pushed by the right wing press generally.

Some people might take the piss 2/3 weeks a year and spend their benefits on booze or whatever, but it is not a thing that can be ongoing, at all. So many do think they can just turn up and get it as often as possible so there simply must be many parents using their benefit on booze, when in reality, people have to jump through hoops to get a food bank voucher, and theres safeguards in place to ensure pisstaking cannot happen also. Fairly decent system really, the chance of fraud is quite tiny.

do you have links to back this up?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Nah, thats a common misconception, pushed by the right wing press generally.

Some people might take the piss 2/3 weeks a year and spend their benefits on booze or whatever, but it is not a thing that can be ongoing, at all. So many do think they can just turn up and get it as often as possible so there simply must be many parents using their benefit on booze, when in reality, people have to jump through hoops to get a food bank voucher, and theres safeguards in place to ensure pisstaking cannot happen also. Fairly decent system really, the chance of fraud is quite tiny.

We have a food bank advertise on our neighbour app, no vouchers or referral required, just turn up, it was really surprising to see that as it has to be open to abuse, they only advertised once, they are probably over run

[DouglasS]

Moreso I think people are saying the system perhaps needs some changes, some people will abuse the money and spend it on drugs/alcohol rather than feeding their children/dependents. perhaps those with children’s allowance should receive vouchers to ensure their child does not go hungry as this cannot be spent on other things

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Moreso I think people are saying the system perhaps needs some changes, some people will abuse the money and spend it on drugs/alcohol rather than feeding their children/dependents. perhaps those with children’s allowance should receive vouchers to ensure their child does not go hungry as this cannot be spent on other things

good post DOuglass

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Moreso I think people are saying the system perhaps needs some changes, some people will abuse the money and spend it on drugs/alcohol rather than feeding their children/dependents. perhaps those with children’s allowance should receive vouchers to ensure their child does not go hungry as this cannot be spent on other things

Other than being the big scary monster, people use to justify cruelty towards the poor, what are the statistics about benefits being used for drugs rather than family support?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Moreso I think people are saying the system perhaps needs some changes, some people will abuse the money and spend it on drugs/alcohol rather than feeding their children/dependents. perhaps those with children’s allowance should receive vouchers to ensure their child does not go hungry as this cannot be spent on other things

Maybe a complete overhaul?

Reduce family allowance so it covers clothes and whatever but then schools provide each child with breakfast , dinner and a meal at the end of the school day ?
The schools have the setup all ready and waiting ..


That way all the kids get three decent meals per day and we may see more pupils attending school.




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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Maybe a complete overhaul?

Reduce family allowance so it covers clothes and whatever but then schools provide each child with breakfast , dinner and a meal at the end of the school day ?
The schools have the setup all ready and waiting ..


That way all the kids get three decent meals per day and we may see more pupils attending school.




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Why should the poorest in society be made even poorer? No one is as maligned as poor people in need of help. We have this purely fictional standard that we can't even give a few extra pennies unless we can take it away somewhere else. Governments give billions to their friends, and no one says anything, but want a kid to get a free meal then we have to make sure they've earned it and can be trusted not to blow it all on scag. It's inhumane.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why should the poorest in society be made even poorer? No one is as maligned as poor people in need of help. We have this purely fictional standard that we can't even give a few extra pennies unless we can take it away somewhere else. Governments give billions to their friends, and no one says anything, but want a kid to get a free meal then we have to make sure they've earned it and can be trusted not to blow it all on scag. It's inhumane.

I’m not suggesting making people poorer just reduce the allowance ( the part for the kid’s food) and give it to schools who then ENSURE that every child gets three meals a day .. three ‘healthy’ meals as well .


Seems like an improvement if thousands of kids are going hungry every day.


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’m not suggesting making people poorer just reduce the allowance ( the part for the kid’s food) and give it to schools who then ENSURE that every child gets three meals a day .. three ‘healthy’ meals as well .


Seems like an improvement if thousands of kids are going hungry every day.


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You're taking away money from the very poorest, so how will that not make them poorer? I'm pretty sure that they don't have cash reserves they can dip into if they're a bit short one week. Their only options are debt (which they will struggle to pay back), or go without, which brings us back to why are we making the poorest people poorer?

[Alf]

If I'm being told that there are Children in need of feeding, then I'm questioning what the charity "Children in need" is doing to help? Because that's what they're there for, to help children in need, it says so on the tin.

[Tom4784]

Rule Britannia! Britannia rules the waves! Greatest country in the world, innit? We don't need help, the world needs us, we don't need them!

[Tom4784]

No, you're not blaming all, you're pretending to in order to place the blame on a government who has been out of power for over a decade.

The Tories have been making life difficult for the working class and impoverished since they regained power. Benefits meant to help people are used as weapons in the Universal Credit scheme and the Tories see fit to have people reliant on food banks and charity instead of fulfilling their role as a government and sorting out the issue themselves and you have a bunch of tory sheep praising them by saying it's not the government's problem when it very much is because a government is meant to tackle issues that plague the populace.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, you're not blaming all, you're pretending to in order to place the blame on a government who has been out of power for over a decade.

The Tories have been making life difficult for the working class and impoverished since they regained power. Benefits meant to help people are used as weapons in the Universal Credit scheme and the Tories see fit to have people reliant on food banks and charity instead of fulfilling their role as a government and sorting out the issue themselves and you have a bunch of tory sheep praising them by saying it's not the government's problem when it very much is because a government is meant to tackle issues that plague the populace.

It's All Blairs Fault
he left it in, the sloppy hands of G. Brown

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by arista

It's All Blairs Fault
he left it in, the sloppy hands of G. Brown

No it really isn't.

[Tom4784]

We weren't relying on Unicef before the current Tory reign. This is an issue born out of the administrations that have been running the show for the past ten years.

You can pretend otherwise but all you're doing is defending people who don't give a **** about you.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We weren't relying on Unicef before the current Tory reign. This is an issue born out of the administrations that have been running the show for the past ten years.

You can pretend otherwise but all you're doing is defending people who don't give a **** about you.

But in Blair's long time in Power
he could have set it all up
to run, forever.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

We weren't relying on Unicef before the current Tory reign. This is an issue born out of the administrations that have been running the show for the past ten years.

You can pretend otherwise but all you're doing is defending people who don't give a **** about you.

Yes because the COVID pandemic is the Tories fault... they should have predicted an outbreak caused in China... the entire world has suffered huge economic shortfalls, and the economy has suffered almost everywhere

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Yes because the COVID pandemic is the Tories fault... they should have predicted an outbreak caused in China... the entire world has suffered huge economic shortfalls, and the economy has suffered almost everywhere

From 2018-19. Covid didn't cause a child poverty explosion in this country, the tories did with austerity. Covid has just made it worse. Tories decimated programs for children and the poor when they got in to power.

https://cpag.org.uk/child-poverty/ch...ts-and-figures

There were 4.2 million children living in poverty in the UK in 2018-19. That's 30 per cent of children, or nine in a classroom of 30.1
44 per cent of children living in lone-parent families are in poverty.2 Lone parents face a higher risk of poverty due to the lack of an additional earner, low rates of maintenance payments, gender inequality in employment and pay, and childcare costs.
Children from black and minority ethnic groups are more likely to be in poverty: 46 per cent are now in poverty, compared with 26 per cent of children in White British families.3
Work does not provide a guaranteed route out of poverty in the UK. 72 per cent of children growing up in poverty live in a household where at least one person works.4
Children in large families are at a far greater risk of living in poverty – 43 per cent of children living in families with 3 or more children live in poverty.5
Childcare and housing are two of the costs that take the biggest toll on families’ budgets.
Between 1998 and 2003 reducing child poverty was made a priority - with a comprehensive strategy and investment in children - and the number of children in poverty fell by 600,000.6
Removing the two-child limit and the benefit cap would lift 100,000s of children out of poverty.7
Increasing child benefit would substantially reduce child poverty as well as providing support to all families with the extra costs children bring.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Yes because the COVID pandemic is the Tories fault... they should have predicted an outbreak caused in China... the entire world has suffered huge economic shortfalls, and the economy has suffered almost everywhere

Yeah, because more people relying on food banks to feed themselves is a new phenomenon and not a stat that's been increasing steadily for the past few years. People have only been struggling to survive on Universal Credit because of Covid, not because UC in itself is vicious by design, tory design.

Stop defending the people who have their foot on the necks of the poor and vulnerable. You are only a few bad days away from being one of them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Yes because the COVID pandemic is the Tories fault... they should have predicted an outbreak caused in China... the entire world has suffered huge economic shortfalls, and the economy has suffered almost everywhere

It isn't unicefs fault either... so why is ghoul mogg not praising the charity for its help and support at this time if global need?

[Tom4784]

Why not the Tories who have been running the show for a decade who created this problem in the first place? More people are reliant on food banks than ever before and that's not something that began before the Tories took charge.

The cognitive dissonance of tory supporters is just bizarre.

[Vicky.]

Its hugely **** that they have to really. We are a rich country in the grand scheme of things, that UK kids are going without food actually breaks my heart. Our local foodbank is desperate for help as soo many families are having to use it recently..

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure that I agree that eating all meals at their schools would be beneficial to a child...family meals together are a very important thing...and very valued at the end of a school/work day by parents and children...