[Scarlett.]

-Me being dumb-

[Josy]

This was what a few of us tried to express in another thread, the concerns regarding womens rights but you risk being labelled a terf the minute you speak out about it.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

I dont ****ing care, terf

Wow.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Given transmen are kind of invivisble in this. Which is odd as if that followed the usual pattern, transmen activists would be the ones shouting over women and transwomen.)...

Male socialisation versus female socialisation...

[UserSince2005]

Trans women are women it is that simple. Don't over think it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Whatever

Whatever, yeah, throwing TERF around anytime anyone questions anything remotely to do with gender issues causes a LOT MORE problems than anything Niamh said.

Maybe show an iota of respect for women if you want the same returned to you.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Almost as lovely as having your existence questioned every ****ing day, and then the same people who question your existence claim they're being silenced

I have only ever spoken about how women's rights are being affected, why shouldn't I be allowed to do that, that does concern me. And can i just say I was the only one in this thread being told to shut the **** up

[Scarlett.]

-Me being dumb-

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Josy

This was what a few of us tried to express in another thread, the concerns regarding womens rights but you risk being labelled a terf the minute you speak out about it.

I don't be necessarily agree with the part about "reducing women to a fantasy", whatever that means. But women standing up for female rights being slapped down and labelled with a slur? Spot on.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Almost as lovely as having your existence questioned every ****ing day, and then the same people who question your existence claim they're being silenced

I genuinely understand why you'd be frustrated with this issue and how hard it can be to engage properly on a topic where there's heavy emotional investment... But honestly, all I can do here is echo what I've said to many people on many different topic on this forum;

If you can engage in an actual debate - even an angry one - then a debates forum is not the place to be. "I don't want anyone to talk about this because I find it offensive" just isn't a good enough reason for anyone to avoid discussion of any issue...

If you have a counter argument or a point to make then make it, if you can't engage without baseless name calling (and hey... I don't personally even care about name calling... Just back it with an argument at least) then don't engage at all... And when it comes right down to it... If you find a topic too painful to see being discussed, then steer clear of the topic. Because no one gets to decide what other people can or can't discuss.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I genuinely understand why you'd be frustrated with this issue and how hard it can be to engage properly on a topic where there's heavy emotional investment... But honestly, all I can do here is echo what I've said to many people on many different topic on this forum;

If you can engage in an actual debate - even an angry one - then a debates forum is not the place to be. "I don't want anyone to talk about this because I find it offensive" just isn't a good enough reason for anyone to avoid discussion of any issue...

If you have a counter argument or a point to make then make it, if you can't engage without baseless name calling (and hey... I don't personally even care about name calling... Just back it with an argument at least) then don't engage at all... And when it comes right down to it... If you find a topic too painful to see being discussed, then steer clear of the topic. Because no one gets to decide what other people can or can't discuss.

Maybe you're right, I am sorry Niamh, for calling you a terf, and for getting angry at you Marsh

The anger hasnt stemmed from you but from real life, I am sorry for my outburst, legitimately and ban me if you must. The anger has stemmed from people legitimately putting trans people down and I recognise that that is not what you are doing, I regret saying what I did.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

I dont ****ing care, terf

Actually disgusting, Niamh has been very polite and made some valid points and your response is to abuse her?

Edit, I can see you have apologised now, lets leave it there.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Maybe you're right, I am sorry Niamh, for calling you a terf, and for getting angry at you Marsh

The anger hasnt stemmed from you but from real life, I am sorry for my outburst, legitimately and ban me if you must. The anger has stemmed from people legitimately putting trans people down and I recognise that that is not what you are doing, I regret saying what I did.

No worries.

[Novo]

great this forum at times, forgot what i was missing

[Black Dagger]

#WeStandWithScarlett x

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Maybe you're right, I am sorry Niamh, for calling you a terf, and for getting angry at you Marsh

The anger hasnt stemmed from you but from real life, I am sorry for my outburst, legitimately and ban me if you must. The anger has stemmed from people legitimately putting trans people down and I recognise that that is not what you are doing, I regret saying what I did.

I know that and I know it's not your usual form, I'm really not trying to be nasty either, I can assure you that the only place I ever come from on this topic is a women's rights angle, I've always been pretty vocal on women's rights issues (and not just when it concerns trans rights either) I would love a solution where everyone is happy but some of the issues (like sport) I just can't see how you can make it fair on biological women to allow transwomen compete against them, reducing testosterone just isn't enough

[Daniel.]

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

Where?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

There is not one transphobic comment been posted in this thread so how about actually adding to the debate instead of looking for a reaction.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

This thread has had more abuse thrown at women but ok whatever

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know that and I know it's not your usual form, I'm really not trying to be nasty either, I can assure you that the only place I ever come from on this topic is a women's rights angle, I've always been pretty vocal on women's rights issues (and not just when it concerns trans rights either) I would love a solution where everyone is happy but some of the issues (like sport) I just can't see how you can make it fair on biological women to allow transwomen compete against them, reducing testosterone just isn't enough

Largely my stance is that it would be great if there were solutions that worked for everyone, and I feel that there MUST be solutions that at least come close, but that they are likely not simple at all and will take a lot of figuring out and it's basically impossible for that work to be done so long as its the battleground that it is right now. Though I think it's understandable for people to want it to be "Easy. Simple. Just accept this; ________. Done" on a myriad of issues, it's pretty much human nature. Sadly there's rarely any such thing as a simple answer.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where?

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This thread has had more abuse thrown at women but ok whatever

Originally Posted by Josy

There is not one transphobic comment been posted in this thread so how about actually adding to the debate instead of looking for a reaction.

No matter how thinly veiled, it's still transphobia.

And, I'm guessing no one saw Arista's comment if they want proof

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

If I'm honest, this is the post that got me really angry

Oh arista's baiting has long gone ignored I'll give you that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

If I'm honest, this is the post that got me really angry

The former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has raised concerns over the ongoing “toxic” debate around transgender rights in the UK and its long-term impact on the country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9661801.html


Its a common opinion if you google it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

If I'm honest, this is the post that got me really angry

Ahh come on it was posted by arista. He exists in a pocket universe where there are no moderation rules at all. It's the only explanation I've been able to come up with in 7.5 years.