[Josy]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

I dont ****ing care, terf

Wow.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

I dont ****ing care, terf

Actually disgusting, Niamh has been very polite and made some valid points and your response is to abuse her?

Edit, I can see you have apologised now, lets leave it there.

[Scarlett.]

-Me being dumb-

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

How about shut the **** up

If this is your only response to Niamh's argument it only makes her seem more right.

An emotional response instead of a logical one doesn't convince anyone.

[UserSince2005]

[Vicky.]

It comes from a good place, however there is no thought whatsoever about female people. In sports particularly. There is a lot of evidence that its unfair, yet some still push for it (see Stonewall still pushing for transwomen in womens rugby, in the face of the evidence that shows this is very dangerous aswell as unfair). Because..well women don't matter seemingly. Won't post anymore in this as know how these threads go, but Debbie Hayton..I tend to agree with on most things. She is also a transwoman, but one who acknowledges biological reality and thinks about women aswell as trans people instead of putting women at the back of the line for everything. The lack of consideration for women during this whole 'trans rights' thing is vile tbh. Yet women are the bigoted ones for saying they should be bloody considered while their rights and protections are stripped away. Its possible to advance trans rights without trampling over womens rights. There are many ways to do this. Just activists seem to not want to do that, much easier to just threaten women into silence and take over. Activists seem the issue in this tbh, as actual transsexual people tend to be decent people who think about all, such as Debbie Hayton. Such transsexual people, get as much grief and threats from activists as women who dare to speak up do!

Tbh, these days I don't even take 'terf' as an insult. Because its thrown at anyone who gives any thought to biological women. Even if they also support trans people (or transwomen, that should be. Given transmen are kind of invivisble in this. Which is odd as if that followed the usual pattern, transmen activists would be the ones shouting over women and transwomen.)...just the fact they think about women is horrendous and bigoted.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Given transmen are kind of invivisble in this. Which is odd as if that followed the usual pattern, transmen activists would be the ones shouting over women and transwomen.)...

Male socialisation versus female socialisation...

[Scarlett.]

-Me being dumb-

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Whatever

Whatever, yeah, throwing TERF around anytime anyone questions anything remotely to do with gender issues causes a LOT MORE problems than anything Niamh said.

Maybe show an iota of respect for women if you want the same returned to you.

[Josy]

This was what a few of us tried to express in another thread, the concerns regarding womens rights but you risk being labelled a terf the minute you speak out about it.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Josy

This was what a few of us tried to express in another thread, the concerns regarding womens rights but you risk being labelled a terf the minute you speak out about it.

I don't be necessarily agree with the part about "reducing women to a fantasy", whatever that means. But women standing up for female rights being slapped down and labelled with a slur? Spot on.

[UserSince2005]

Trans women are women it is that simple. Don't over think it.

[Scarlett.]

-Me being dumb-

[Novo]

great this forum at times, forgot what i was missing

[Black Dagger]

#WeStandWithScarlett x

[Daniel.]

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

Where?

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

There is not one transphobic comment been posted in this thread so how about actually adding to the debate instead of looking for a reaction.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where?

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This thread has had more abuse thrown at women but ok whatever

Originally Posted by Josy

There is not one transphobic comment been posted in this thread so how about actually adding to the debate instead of looking for a reaction.

No matter how thinly veiled, it's still transphobia.

And, I'm guessing no one saw Arista's comment if they want proof

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

No matter how thinly veiled, it's still transphobia.



And, I'm guessing no one saw Arista's comment if they want proof

Then report the post/s that concerns you and add to the debate in future instead of entering the thread just to champion comments that insult other members.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Then report the post/s that concerns you and add to the debate in future instead of entering the thread just to champion comments that insult other members.

No, I won't just report transphobia lol

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

Scarlett is right though, forum is full of gross transphobia.

This thread has had more abuse thrown at women but ok whatever

[user104658]

Can't believe this has turned into an AERT thread

(Arista Exclusionary Rational Tibbers)

[UserSince2005]

I too am disgusted, it is the 21st year of the 21st century!!! Let start treating all with respect.

[Novo]

will always be differences between a trans women and a biological women, hardly transphobic to say that its just biology and most trans people will acknowledge that, its only transphobic if you are insulting the person and i don't really see that as an insult, they are still a trans women end of the day, you ain't calling them a man.