[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I take my hat off to anyone who had completely cut meat out of their diet, we don't eat alot of meat these days but I couldn't cut it out completely

bacon butties

I've never had bacon in my life so I obviously can't say it's the same but there are alternatives that other people say taste just like it so you probably could cut it out if bacon was your vice.

This isn't me being preachy, my boyfriend is literally eating a burger as we speak but he's tried a lot of my plant based alternatives and says they are pretty good.

[AnnieK]

Its not really meant to be thought provoking, its meant to be guilt inducing. I find it very much like religion, if you choose to eat meat or not it is your prerogative, just as it is whatever religion you follow. I would never preach to someone about how to live their lives, that is down to them and their personal choices.

Edited to add, I don't think anyone on here is preaching, but posts like that on social media bother me.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Its not really meant to be thought provoking, its meant to be guilt inducing. I find it very much like religion, if you choose to eat meat or not it is your prerogative, just as it is whatever religion you follow. I would never preach to someone about how to live their lives, that is down to them and their personal choices.

I've said that though Annie, I have nothing against people eating meat ,I am against the cruelty it contains to get that meat to the supermarkets etc, I just think it's not a bad thing to know what happens .

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I've said that though Annie, I have nothing against people eating meat ,I am against the cruelty it contains to get that meat to the supermarkets etc, I just think it's not a bad thing to know what happens .

That's why I added I don't think anyone here is preaching. As adults, we all know there are some barbaric practices happening in the world, to both humans and animals and I feel that posts like this are quite inflammatory. The points in the post are the extremes of animal cruelty hence why I said its meant to be guilt inducing rather than thought provoking. If it spoke about the normal meal producing process, it would spark more conversation rather than the extremes of animal heads being used as a football which isn't the norm

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That's why I added I don't think anyone here is preaching. As adults, we all know there are some barbaric practices happening in the world, to both humans and animals and I feel that posts like this are quite inflammatory. The points in the post are the extremes of animal cruelty hence why I said its meant to be guilt inducing rather than thought provoking. If it spoke about the normal meal producing process, it would spark more conversation rather than the extremes of animal heads being used as a football which isn't the norm

Yeah ... I recall the spate of horrendous accounts /videos that leaked out a famous meat producer years ago ... we’ve never bought anything with their his/name on it since ... something like Harry ‘something or other’ ??


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yeah ... I recall the spate of horrendous accounts /videos that leaked out a famous meat producer years ago ... we’ve never bought anything with their his/name on it since ... something like Harry ‘something or other’ ??


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Didn't Bernard Mathews have a bad rap too Zizu ?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Its not really meant to be thought provoking, its meant to be guilt inducing. I find it very much like religion, if you choose to eat meat or not it is your prerogative, just as it is whatever religion you follow. I would never preach to someone about how to live their lives, that is down to them and their personal choices.

Edited to add, I don't think anyone on here is preaching, but posts like that on social media bother me.

...yeah for me also...so much stuff is aimed at stirring emotion but it’s actually absent of emotion and quite ‘generic’...hearing people's personal thoughts, experiences, stories etc is something I would always prefer and think many would respond to...I prefer your own words and thoughts on the topic, Kaz...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah for me also...so much stuff is aimed at stirring emotion but it’s actually absent of emotion and quite ‘generic’...hearing people's personal thoughts, experiences, stories etc is something I would always prefer and think many would respond to...I prefer your own words and thoughts on the topic, Kaz...

Well in my own words Ammi, these sort of things DO happen ,they might be rare, I could have posted videos but that would be even worse, but even ONE cruelty act is not acceptable and I do think humans are the most dangerous species on earth, I don't think it was preachy , people will and do make up their own minds , I just found it highlighted the cruelty involved and sometimes highlighting it can get things done and change some things.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well in my own words Ammi, these sort of things DO happen ,they might be rare, I could have posted videos but that would be even worse, but even ONE cruelty act is not acceptable and I do think humans are the most dangerous species on earth, I don't think it was preachy , people will and do make up their own minds , I just found it highlighted the cruelty involved and sometimes highlighting it can get things done and change some things.

...yeah for sure, I don’t think that many people on the planet would disagree with that, Kaz...so many resources being depleted for us now and for future generations...

[Samm]

are you leaving fifth harmony lovely

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm vegan because I refuse to turn a blind eye... My question is why do you?

Because it's delicious

In all seriousness though; being OK with eating meat and advocating cruel farming practices don't go hand in hand. Of course farming should be ethical and anyone engaging in cruelty as described in the OP should face prosecution.

If there's any argument for not eating meant that carries some weight with me, it's the environmental impact of large-scale meat farming... it isn't really sustainable as global population continues to rise.

[Jessica.]

I eat 100% vegan but threads like this aren't what will get through to people How we eat is our own choice and you have to be in the right state of mind to do things like cutting out meat, dairy, etc.. For me, the pandemic was the perfect time to go from veggie to vegan but for others it would be the absolute worst. I don't eat animals for ethical and environmental reasons, not because of lists of possible scenarios.

[AnnieK]

My best friend recently went from a meat every day person to fully vegan after a binge watch of Richard Attenborough and researching the damage we are doing to the planet partly through eating meat. She has switched out every thing in her life to plant based....all her cosmetics, cleaning products, food etc. I take my hat off to her. She doesn't like the meat substitute stuff either and so she has found it tough going but she's determined.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My best friend recently went from a meat every day person to fully vegan after a binge watch of Richard Attenborough and researching the damage we are doing to the planet partly through eating meat. She has switched out every thing in her life to plant based....all her cosmetics, cleaning products, food etc. I take my hat off to her. She doesn't like the meat substitute stuff either and so she has found it tough going but she's determined.

But on the other hand I have watched a programme outlining the huge devastation caused by growing Soya

I think the fast fashion industry is on a par or is far more harmful to the environment

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

But on the other hand I have watched a programme outlining the huge devastation caused by growing Soya



I think the fast fashion industry is on a par or is far more harmful to the environment

As regards soya ..


https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/hea...r-bad-for-you/



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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

As regards soya ..


https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/hea...r-bad-for-you/



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I recall see this before Zizu, thanks for sharing though

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I recall see this before Zizu, thanks for sharing though

I stand by my old mum’s rant ..

“ everything in moderation “



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[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

As regards soya ..


https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/hea...r-bad-for-you/



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Oh for gods sake, soy is perfectly healthy and they eat a tonne of it in Asian countries where the life expectancy beats ours.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Oh for gods sake, soy is perfectly healthy and they eat a tonne of it in Asian countries where the life expectancy beats ours.

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/challenges/soya/

[Zizu]

I like the idea of a bloke who was a Pesca -pescatarian and would only eat fish that had eaten fish


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[Captain.Remy]

I found a middle ground with being flexitarian. I love meat, always needed it for rugby practice and also because I like the taste of it.
But I got older and realized that once I gave up intense trainings and not playing as much as I used to, I didn't need to eat this much meat.

So flexitarian it is, which consists of occasional inclusion of meat.
I'm actually a good cook, I LOVE cooking and removing a lot of meat from my daily intake made me more creative and found new recipes. However French cuisine is harder without meat
I don't eat meat daily, but I enjoy a nice horse steak or duck breast or whatever I like sometimes. Probably once or twice a week I would say. And I only buy it from my local butcher that I know supplies himself from a "cruelty free" farm where the animals are fed with good and organic food.

Everything else in our house is organic anyway: vegetables, fruits, cakes, cleaning supplies etc Doing our best

And I think it's brave to completely go the vegan or vegetarian route. As long as it makes you feel good about yourself then it's great! Congrats!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I found a middle ground with being flexitarian. I love meat, always needed it for rugby practice and also because I like the taste of it.
But I got older and realized that once I gave up intense trainings and not playing as much as I used to, I didn't need to eat this much meat.

So flexitarian it is, which consists of occasional inclusion of meat.
I'm actually a good cook, I LOVE cooking and removing a lot of meat from my daily intake made me more creative and found new recipes. However French cuisine is harder without meat
I don't eat meat daily, but I enjoy a nice horse steak or duck breast or whatever I like sometimes. Probably once or twice a week I would say. And I only buy it from my local butcher that I know supplies himself from a "cruelty free" farm where the animals are fed with good and organic food.

Everything else in our house is organic anyway: vegetables, fruits, cakes, cleaning supplies etc Doing our best

And I think it's brave to cut meat from your meals. As long as it makes you feel good about yourself then it's great! Congrats!

...yeah, I’ve always found that in some countries it can be more difficult to not eat meat...although I do eat white fish, which expands it out...I spend lots of time eating French Fries, cake and Ice Cream when I’m overseas and lots of fruit...I agree with you completely about vegetarian cooking enabling more creativity... and I find chopping lots of vegetable with their jewel-like colours, one of the most uplifting things ever.....yes very sad but that’s me...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I’ve always found that in some countries it can be more difficult to not eat meat...although I do eat white fish, which expands it out...I spend lots of time eating French Fries, cake and Ice Cream when I’m overseas and lots of fruit...I agree with you completely about vegetarian cooking enabling more creativity... and I find chopping lots of vegetable with their jewel-like colours, one of the most uplifting things ever.....yes very sad but that’s me...

I love cooking with vegetables and experimenting ,have found some really good recipes and you know more or less what's in food cooked from scratch.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I’ve always found that in some countries it can be more difficult to not eat meat...although I do eat white fish, which expands it out...I spend lots of time eating French Fries, cake and Ice Cream when I’m overseas and lots of fruit...I agree with you completely about vegetarian cooking enabling more creativity... and I find chopping lots of vegetable with their jewel-like colours, one of the most uplifting things ever.....yes very sad but that’s me...

Welcome to the weirdos club then
And what is nicer is knowing that I won't post it on Instagram, and just enjoy it with my husband, family or friends. Makes it even better to present a nice appealing plate!

[Beso]

Its dead when you eat it.

But doesn't taste the same whilst watching how it died as you eat it.