[user104658]

Assessing books - or any other creative media - in anything other than the context of the time they were written is pretty daft, let's face it.

However I do remember the books and I agree that they were competent, but not brilliant, writing... so it's not like they're "cancelling literary classics".

I also don't think there's anything hugely wrong with copyright holders altering older stories to make them more suitable for a modern audience, to be honest. Not when it's just pulpy adventure stories. Obviously we don't want revisionism of actual classics. They should however come along with education about historical context when read by teens (which of course, they usually are, and that's usually half the point of studying them).

[James]

I have fond memories of sitting on a branch of a tree reading reading one of the Adventure series books. I was trying to find the cover from the time.

[Ammi]

…so the blue plaque is being altered in line with what English Heritage had said they would do…?….isn’t that what was always said would be a compromise, to not ‘cancel’ history by removing statues etc but to present the correct historic information…?…I don’t understand why it would be an issue…?…if she was ‘cancelled’ then she was also ‘cancelled’ when it was felt that she wouldn’t be an appropriate person/figurehead to have on a coin a few years ago…or is it because it’s connected to what English Heritage pledged in appropriately amending any information and fully presenting ‘heritage’….

….no one is cancelling her work or that many people have enjoyed her work over time…

…as the one time Children’s Laureate, Michael Rosen once said…’she indeed was some of the negative things that she’s been accused of but at the same time she enabled millions of children to enjoy stories…’….that hasn’t and won’t change, neither will any pleasure she’s created and inspired… so it seems like another manufactured outrage of the day…

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…so the blue plaque is being altered in line with what English Heritage had said they would do…?….isn’t that what was always said would be a compromise, to not ‘cancel’ history by removing statues etc but to present the correct historic information…?…I don’t understand why it would be an issue…?…if she was ‘cancelled’ then she was also ‘cancelled’ when it was felt that she wouldn’t be an appropriate person/figurehead to have on a coin a few years ago…or is it because it’s connected to what English Heritage pledged in appropriately amending any information and fully presenting ‘heritage’….

….no one is cancelling her work or that many people have enjoyed her work over time…

…as the one time Children’s Laureate, Michael Rosen once said…’she indeed was some of the negative things that she’s been accused of but at the same time she enabled millions of children to enjoy stories…’….that hasn’t and won’t change, neither will any pleasure she’s created and inspired… so it seems like another manufactured outrage of the day…

Once English heritage starts the Ball rolling
Shops start removing Her Updated Safe Books


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[Ammi]

…English Heritage haven’t started any balls rolling, they’re on the catch up with their balls and updating information so that it’s more complete and accurate ….some of her books were removed from some libraries/schools decades ago ….life didn’t begin with the DM and other outrage creating media…a paragraph has been added to a website that changes nothing and makes few people aware of anything that they weren’t aware of anyway regarding some story content…Arista, you’re not aware enough sadly ….

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…English Heritage haven’t started any balls rolling, they’re on the catch up with their balls and updating information so that it’s more complete and accurate ….some of her books were removed from some libraries/schools decades ago ….life didn’t begin with the DM and other outrage creating media…a paragraph has been added to a website that changes nothing and makes few people aware of anything that they weren’t aware of anyway regarding some story content…Arista, you’re not aware enough sadly ….

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[Tom4784]

Woke this, woke that. Do people ever get bored of being scared of their little boogeyman?

[Marsh.]

Didn't realise we had such Blyton loyalists.

[bots]

enid blyton isnt being cancelled though, they are changing the wording on some signage. I dont see that as something being cancelled or are people suggestting that once something is written, it can never be amended?

if that were the case, there would still be memorials to jimmy saville

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is little point trying to compare Enid Blyton with Saville or the sign "no blacks or Irish"



does anyone actually know what Enid wrote that is now so offensive to the twits at EH?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is little point trying to compare Enid Blyton with Saville or the sign "no blacks or Irish"



does anyone actually know what Enid wrote that is now so offensive to the twits at EH?

It wasn't compared though, I used them to show how societies evolve towards inclusivity, even if we go backwards a few steps every now and then, and sometimes we have to drag the mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers along, even when they don't want to come

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is little point trying to compare Enid Blyton with Saville or the sign "no blacks or Irish"



does anyone actually know what Enid wrote that is now so offensive to the twits at EH?

i was pointing out that adjusting signage is perfectly reasonable, nothing is ever permanent. Don't even think about cancelling my argument

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Enid Blyton is known for her children's books that confront class, gender and
racial issues. In The Little Black Doll (1937) her main character, Sambo, wants
to be washed white, or pink, by the rain. In her book The Three Golliwogs
(1944) the main characters are called Golly, Woggie and N1gger




I had the golliwog book as a child

http://www.wiki.ncac.org/The_Little_...hree_Golliwogs

[Ammi]

…it’s absolutely crazy that we cant just enjoy our racism in peace…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s absolutely crazy that we cant just enjoy our racism in peace…

or maybe concentrate on actual racism and not constantly dilute the message with exercises in virtue signaling and then moan that racism still exists?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or maybe concentrate on actual racism and not constantly dilute the message with exercises in virtue signaling and then moan that racism still exists?

Talking about racism dilutes the message against racism?

But talking about racism isn't a positive because it's virtue signalling?

[Ammi]

‘For everyone using the ‘don’t judge by modern standards’ line - Enid Blyton had a manuscript rejected by Macmillan in 1960 on the grounds of xenophobic content.’

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Enid Blyton is known for her children's books that confront class, gender and
racial issues. In The Little Black Doll (1937) her main character, Sambo, wants
to be washed white, or pink, by the rain. In her book The Three Golliwogs
(1944) the main characters are called Golly, Woggie and N1gger




I had the golliwog book as a child

http://www.wiki.ncac.org/The_Little_...hree_Golliwogs

Oh. This is bad. Can't believe what views people once had.

That said I do love the famous five stories so they should stick around

But stuff like this yeah it isn't right

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Oh. This is bad. Can't believe what views people once had.

That said I do love the famous five stories so they should stick around

But stuff like this yeah it isn't right

…yeah, I think that’s the amendments to the plaques, giving more complete information in terms of heritage/her legacy it gives an accurate truth which doesn’t take away anything you enjoyed or enjoy about her…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, I think that’s the amendments to the plaques, giving more complete information in terms of heritage/her legacy it gives an accurate truth which doesn’t take away anything you enjoyed or enjoy about her…

No

I think the plaques do not get altered. There is an app that you use when you see a plaque that gives you all the details about the person who got the plaque

its that which they have altered because a man (drug-dealer and woman abuser) was killed by a police officer in the USA in a non-racist motivated incident.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Enid Blyton is known for her children's books that confront class, gender and
racial issues. In The Little Black Doll (1937) her main character, Sambo, wants
to be washed white, or pink, by the rain. In her book The Three Golliwogs
(1944) the main characters are called Golly, Woggie and N1gger




I had the golliwog book as a child

http://www.wiki.ncac.org/The_Little_...hree_Golliwogs

Never heard of these book, we were all about The famous five and the secret 7

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Never heard of these book, we were all about The famous five and the secret 7

i mean she wrote like 700!

[Marsh.]

"Confronting" class, gender and racial issues? Or containing class, gender and racial issues?

[bots]

i remember those books, i thought they were removed from "service" a long, long time ago