[Denver]

There is nothing wrong with it and you can't keep forcing people to stay indoors otherwise we are heading the way of North Korea.

People say we shouldn't open up but when is the right time? Covid is here to say so you want to spend your lives doing nothing? People have a right to live their life how they want.

One thing I dont agree with is how there is a lack of rules, Nightclubs should be open to those who are double jabbed or have a negative result and that should be made the law but Boris has done this for a reason so he can place blame on the youngsters when we hit another spike bit wont mention filling out stadiums and what not.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Denver

There is nothing wrong with it and you can't keep forcing people to stay indoors otherwise we are heading the way of North Korea.

People say we shouldn't open up but when is the right time? Covid is here to say so you want to spend your lives doing nothing? People have a right to live their life how they want.

One thing I dont agree with is how there is a lack of rules, Nightclubs should be open to those who are double jabbed or have a negative result and that should be made the law but Boris has done this for a reason so he can place blame on the youngsters when we hit another spike bit wont mention filling out stadiums and what not.

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

Lookdown wasn't really iver for the young ones, they still couldn't go out and have the time of there lives, there is zero point in restrictions people know if they are high risk and they should be careful but there are people who are zero risk who should be allowed to get on with their lives but young people are not just content with going shopping and stuff like that they want to party away their best years of their lives and dance with freinds and make new freinds or crack on with strangers, it is something we have not done in 16 months

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Denver

Lookdown wasn't really iver for the young ones, they still couldn't go out and have the time of there lives, there is zero point in restrictions people know if they are high risk and they should be careful but there are people who are zero risk who should be allowed to get on with their lives but young people are not just content with going shopping and stuff like that they want to party away their best years of their lives and dance with freinds and make new freinds or crack on with strangers, it is something we have not done in 16 months

No one is zero risk, but it's the experimentation of throwing a load of kids at each other in night clubs to create new variants that is the biggest danger to older people and the vulnerable.

If it was purely down to individual risk, I'd have no issue with a full open up, as the only victims would be themselves, but that's not the case, and especially as we're learning more about long covid.

I guess it comes down to whether we believe the rights of young people and those like myself who are a bit older, trump the rest of society.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Seems like the 2nd half of your post disagrees with the first half. Lockdown has been pretty much over for months already. Public spaces are full, shops are open etc. There is no lockdown.

However, I agree that removing all restrictions is stupid, and we're basically experimenting with peoples lives and potential new variants at this point.

You also say places should stay closed and restricted but who is paying for all this? The government can't keep extending furlough or giving business bug chunks if money to survive.

Last night was the first time in 16 months that some people have been able to work and im not sure if you know but that is a major deal for some people

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Denver

You also say places should stay closed and restricted but who is paying for all this? The government can't keep extending furlough or giving business bug chunks if money to survive.

Last night was the first time in 16 months that some people have been able to work and im not sure if you know but that is a major deal for some people

I always find it weird when we use money as an argument to avoid doing the right thing. This government will waste infinite money when it comes to test and trace to throw money into serco, or to make sure their donors are getting rich from the pandemic, but expect that money to go to the folks that need it, and suddenly we pretend there isn't any.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I always find it weird when we use money as an argument to avoid doing the right thing. This government will waste infinite money when it comes to test and trace to throw money into serco, or to make sure their donors are getting rich from the pandemic, but expect that money to go to the folks that need it, and suddenly we pretend there isn't any.

Spot on.

[smudgie]

Perhaps this is the best time to open up some venues.
I do think if we don’t do it now while people will be outdoors more then we have missed an opportunity.
At the same time, I think the wearing of masks in shops and public transport should be kept.
On a personal level, we will still be very careful who we let visit etc and won’t be mixing in large crowds.

[Cherie]

Nightclubs were recommended to introduce negative tests or vaccine certs, they declined, so they have gone from 0 to 90 however that said I am not reliant on nightclub income for survival so it would be easy for me to preach to them what to do, Clubs are open across Europe and some countries do not have the vac level the UK is at, there is no right or wrong here, we have to try to get some semblance of normality back, these businesses have been closed for 16 months and many of the young were partying in their homes anyway

[Denver]

All this people complaining didnt complain about having full stadiums and everything

[Cherie]

Just been out petrol station still high proportion of customers wearing masks, Sainsburys have asked people to continue to wear masks so stunned to see they have taken screens down at the self service check out, what harm were they doing

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Just been out petrol station still high proportion of customers wearing masks, Sainsburys have asked people to continue to wear masks so stunned to see they have taken screens down at the self service check out, what harm were they doing

Tesco are keeping their screens up.
Basically carrying on as before, masks and distancing etc.

[bots]

they had a club owner in leeds on the news, he was really emotional at having his business back after 16 months, and I can understand that.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they had a club owner in leeds on the news, he was really emotional at having his business back after 16 months, and I can understand that.

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

[Nicky91]

yeah ok maybe i complained out of worries, but i hope cases won't spiral out of control


if it helps ease your worries, my nation's new cases seems to be levelling off, and also going down, for three days in a row as of today



but good to hear that some at least continue with masks, distancing

[user104658]

Really it's just a long-delayed version of what Boris wanted to do back in Spring 2020. Hardly a shock.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Really it's just a long-delayed version of what Boris wanted to do back in Spring 2020. Hardly a shock.

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

I also agree that the financial reasonings aren't particularly sound - the government could be helping out business owners to a much larger extent than they are. Mental health is a bit of a trickier question... the situation is a mess but I don't know that there is a "right" answer there. None of the options are good ones.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also agree that the financial reasonings aren't particularly sound - the government could be helping out business owners to a much larger extent than they are. Mental health is a bit of a trickier question... the situation is a mess but I don't know that there is a "right" answer there. None of the options are good ones.

Absolutely, but mental health can be a long and complicated road back to a feeling of normality, not solved because they can throw some shapes to dance hits of the 90's, sardined into a human petri dish.

I'd imagine the MH side of covid has been eased as restrictions have been lifted, but can just as quickly be set backwards if the death numbers start rising, and we start going back into full lockdowns.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely, but mental health can be a long and complicated road back to a feeling of normality, not solved because they can throw some shapes to dance hits of the 90's, sardined into a human petri dish.

I'd imagine the MH side of covid has been eased as restrictions have been lifted, but can just as quickly be set backwards if the death numbers start rising, and we start going back into full lockdowns.

Well yes and the promises of "never going back" being inevitably snatched away will make things worse rather than better. They have to give people hope, but it has to be realistic expectations that aren't going to be offered then snatched back. A surefire way of making people feel hopeless.

Christmas for example was a catastrophe; people making plans, getting excited, then having to cancel them at the last minute.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

….I think it’s also pretty wrong because many of those who have genuine concerns now based on medical concerns, have worked and put themselves at risk thorough this, they absolutely know the mental strain…it can’t really be seen anything other than an experimental type thing, if we don’t do it now then when will we…?…surely when the medical minds are more confident than they are now…?…

[Cherie]

By September it will be mandatory to be vaccinated to enter Clubs

[Tom4784]

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[Beso]

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