[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's those restrictions you mention what are discriminatory and there for, that is the reason they're out there protesting.

You do understand why they're there, don't you?

I don't believe they are discriminatory though. It's a free will choice and those restrictions will be lifted if they take the vax. They have choices....

I have a friend who has not taken the vax. He spent years taking Class A drugs cutbwith with god knows what but now is worried what is in a tested vaccine? Makes no sense to me but it is his choice.

They have the right to protest but the safety of the majority will hopefully prevail.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't believe they are discriminatory though. It's a free will choice and those restrictions will be lifted if they take the vax. They have choices....

I have a friend who has not taken the vax. He spent years taking Class A drugs cutbwith with god knows what but now is worried what is in a tested vaccine? Makes no sense to me but it is his choice.

They have the right to protest but the safety of the majority will hopefully prevail.

So the restrictions will only be lifted if they do as they're told? Until then, they will live as second class citizens with restrictions in their life.

Sounds like oppressive bullying to me.

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Are people being forced though? I don't think so. They have the option to get vaccinated or not. There may be some restrictions on whether they can do certain things without the vax currently but they have the option to weigh it up.

If they catch the virus and are sadly admitted to hospital, I am sure they will trust the science then to use medicines to help them get better. If they don't trust the science of the vax, thats fine but they have to accept that the restrictions are there to protect the many.

Yes, no one is Forced


Too many have died and wish they had the vaccines,
thats the shocking thing that Alf
ignores.

[Alf]

It's amazing that when it comes to terminating life, people scream "my body, my choice" But when they think it might possibly affect them, they drop that principle in a shot.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

It's amazing that when it comes to terminating life, people scream "my body, my choice" But when they think it might possible affect them, they go against that principle.

I don't know anyone and haven't read anywhere that they are trying to mandate the vaccine. Personal choice is still there....their body, their choice

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Why, who has complained about having driving licences?
I'm under the impression that everyone agrees with driving licences. But not every one agrees with vaccines. That's the difference and why your comparison in your attempt to defend the taking away of your fellow citizens freedoms is flawed.

[Nicky91]

thinking it takes away someone's freedom, while people still have 99% of their freedoms

[AnnieK]

Have you been vaxxed Alf? Serious question so I can understand where you're coming from. If not, why don't you trust it? What specifically about this covid 19 vaccine don't you trust? What aboit other medicines? Do you trust them, if so why not trust the vaccine? If you contracted the virus, would you trust the medical professionals to help you if you needed to be hospitalised? I know a few people who have not taken it and not one of them can, or are willing, to answer these questions.

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

According to you, I could never be discriminated against.

So my question is, what is your definition of discrimination? And if your definition ever happens to me, then why couldn't I claim it to be discrimination?

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because you are the majority. You're a straight white man, when it comes to discrimination, you'll never truly face it. You've never had to fight for rights that other people have, you've never been a second class citizen, you've never truly known struggles that non-white or non-straight people have.

You should consider yourself lucky that you've never had to worry about discrimination and that you've had rights that other people of your generation have not from birth but here you are, acting jealous like being a victim of hate is somehow a super power.

So ****ing childish.

So if I want to claim I've been discriminated against, would I have to move to a country that isn't majority White, or do I still not get to claim it?

[Alf]

This is fascinating stuff.

[Alf]

Anybody else think that Dezzy's definition of discrimination is discriminatory in itself, or is it just me?

[AnnieK]

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.

I haven't claimed to have been discriminated against, although I probably have at some point in my life. I'm talking about Dezzy's definition that It's impossible for me to ever be discriminated against simply because my skin colour is White.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I haven't claimed to have been discrinated against, although I probably have at some point in my life. I'm talking about Dezzy's definition that It's impossible for me to ever be discriminated against simply because my skin colour is White.

An astounding claim

[Tom4784]

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[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I think its just you Alf. Unless you have an example of how you have been discriminated? The vax issue isn't discriminatory as its a choice. You are not been stopped doing anything....you have made a choice that may come with restrictions but you are able to change that if you want to.

People who face regular discrimination be it for the colour of their skin, their sexuality or gender are not able to choose those factors.

Also, where do you have the information that I haven't taken the vaccine from? How would you know my medical situation, I've never put it out on here. I may have taken the vaccine or I may not have, you'll never find out that information, so just deal in facts and not assumptions.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

Also, where do you have the information that I haven't taken the vaccine from? How would you know my medical situation, I've never put it out on here. I may have taken the vaccine or I may not have, you'll never find out that information, so just deal in facts and not assumptions.

I asked you the question on the previous page. I assumed by you ignoring that that you didn't want to say

I was talking in the royal "you" as you have claimed people who haven't taken the vax is discriminatory. I don't believe it is.

I couldn't care less if you have taken it or not....your actions mean very little to me as it is unlikely we would ever cross paths.

I should have made the point clearer with the royal "you" but whether you have had it or not is no concern, I asked you the question in the previous page as you seem so bothered by it and I have asked others and they haven't answered, thought you may give your opinion.

Not arsed either way....was trying to have an adult discussion that's all Alf.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I asked you the question on the previous page. I assumed by you ignoring that that you didn't want to say

I was talking in the royal "you" as you have claimed people who haven't taken the vax is discriminatory. I don't believe it is.

I couldn't care less if you have taken it or not....your actions mean very little to me as it is unlikely we would ever cross paths.

I should have made the point clearer with the royal "you" but whether you have had it or not is no concern, I asked you the question in the previous page as you seem so bothered by it and I have asked others and they haven't answered, thought you may give your opinion.

Not arsed either way....was trying to have an adult discussion that's all Alf.

Don't worry Annie, I have no problem with you, you're one of the good ones. I don't agree with you much on some issues, but I still admire and respect you as a person.

I think you just got in the line of fire there, whilst I was on a roll.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

Don't worry Annie, I have no problem with you, you're one of the good ones. I don't agree with you much on some issues, but I still admire and respect you as a person.

I think you just got in the line of fire there, whilst I was on a roll.

[Alf]

So, anyway, back to thread topic.

These protesters are out there protesting for you and your freedoms, whether you like that or not or whether you want them too or not. These are your people, your fellow citizens, the ones you are all in this together with.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Alf

So, anyway, back to thread topic.

These protesters are out there protesting for you and your freedoms, whether you like that or not or whether you want them too or not. These are your people, your fellow citizens, the ones you are all in this together with.

No, they are protesting for THEIR freedoms and the freedoms of those who have chosen not to take a vaccine. The majority have those freedoms as they have listened to the science and want to protect their fellow citizens. They are not protesting for me.