[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Exactly !

I bloody well hate all these media driven conspiracy stories .. this one , the Princess Di one and the moon landings that supposedly never happened are the most annoying ones imho


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It is in this case worth considering that there is no evidence of an abduction. None. In fact, the abduction theory is simply the conspiracy theory about this that gained the most public traction. It IS NOT an official account of events and there IS ZERO evidence that it happened. It is in fact a media driven theory (originally driven by The Sun, mostly).

OFFICIALLY, the authorities have no idea whatsoever what happened to her, other than that she is a missing person, presumed dead.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is in this case worth considering that there is no evidence of an abduction. None. In fact, the abduction theory is simply the conspiracy theory about this that gained the most public traction. It IS NOT an official account of events and there IS ZERO evidence that it happened. It is in fact a media driven theory (originally driven by The Sun, mostly).

OFFICIALLY, the authorities have no idea whatsoever what happened to her, other than that she is a missing person, presumed dead.

Surely it’s more likely that a predatory paedophile or a sex trafficking ring abducted the young girl on holiday than the parents being involved - the latter makes zero sense tbh

70,000 children go missing each year and that’s only in the flamin UK !





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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Surely it’s more likely that a predatory paedophile or a sex trafficking ring abducted the young girl on holiday than the parents being involved - the latter makes zero sense tbh

How many kids are kidnapped by family members?

A family abduction is the taking or concealing of a child under the age of 17 against the person's legal rights. Family members abduct children in 1,230 (86%) of the total kidnapping cases.

How many kids are kidnapped by strangers?

A stranger abduction, also known as a non-family abduction, is the result of a stranger taking or luring a child under the age of 17. Of the 1,435 kidnappings per year, 205 (14.3%) were non-family abductions.

(Source: https://www.creditdonkey.com/kidnapping-statistics.html)

Data were obtained for 44 countries. Overall, parents committed 56.5% (IQR 23.7–69.6) of child homicides, 58.4% (0.0–66.7) of female and 46.8% (14.1–63.8) of male child homicides. Acquaintances committed 12.6% (5.9–31.3) of child homicides. Almost a tenth (9.2% (IQR 0.0–21.9) of child homicides had missing information on the perpetrator. The largest proportion of parental homicides of children was found in high-income countries (64.2%; 44.7–71.8) and East Asia and Pacific Region (61.7%; 46.7–78.6). Parents committed the majority (77.8% (61.5–100.0)) of homicides of children under the age of 1 year. For adolescents, acquaintances were the main group of homicide perpetrators (36.9%, 6.6–51.8). There is a notable lack of studies from low-income and middle-income countries and children above the age of 1 year.

Conclusion Children face the highest risk of homicide by parents and someone they know. Increased investment into the compilation of routine data on child homicide, and the perpetrators of this homicide is imperative for understanding and ultimately reducing child homicide mortality worldwide.

https://bmjpaedsopen.bmj.com/content/1/1/e000112

That one is the British Medical Journal, peer reviewed scientific fact. I'm sorry Zizu but the world is just significantly darker than you assumed. Almost 70% of child homicides are committed by someone close to the child.

The vast majority of all murders, assaults and kidnappings, occur within families.

Statistically, it is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely that she was killed by her parents than abducted by a predatory paedophile ring. Making that the conspiracy theory.

[AnnieK]

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

I agree and this is partly why I would much RATHER believe she died quickly in a tragic accident in the room (either due to them sedating her, or a fall hitting her head, or a combination of the two) than her being taken.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

Logical fallacy, lack of evidence of guilt is not evidence of innocence.

No one has been prosecuted. By your logic; no one is guilty. She just disappeared into thin air.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

If they are "guilty"

can you explain why they were not prosecuted in the most high-profile case of the last 20 years?

one would perhaps suggest that your assertations are inaccurate?

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country. I believe they were guilty of child endangerment and neglect. My opinion, and the opinion I would hope of most people.....leaving babies alone is disgusting. I am sure you will tell me, as you have in the past, that millions of.parents do it. I will respectfully disagree and call them terrible parents too

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country.

International diplomatic reasons. More or less.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

No I can't explain why they were not prosecuted for leaving 3 children under 3 alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country. I believe they were guilty of child endangerment and neglect. My opinion, and the opinion I would hope of most people.....leaving babies alone is disgusting. I am sure you will tell me, as you have in the past, that millions of.parents do it. I will respectfully disagree and call them terrible parents too

so as i thought

not illegal

yep;

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so as i thought

not illegal

yep;

Well, actually it was illegal

There's no legal age a child can be left home alone, but it's against the law to leave a child alone if it puts them at risk1. Every child matures differently, so it would be almost impossible to have a "one size fits all" law.

Considering what happened, they did put her at risk. You continue defending child neglect, its fine. Yep

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Indeed. They at guilty of a crime....what crime that is will never be fully determined but they are at l least guilty of neglect. They have to live with what their selfish actions resulted in but I don't feel we will ever truly know what happened to that little girl. All I hope is whatever it was, she didn't suffer

This is the problem as to never now knowing.
There's been so many it seems red herrings in leads on this.

As I said earlier, Chuff had endless information, not her own view, of avoidance of questions and even refusal to answer questions put on what had been unearthed in the investigation.
It pulled me from what I didn't want to think into realising it was hard to dispute.

It astounds me that a professional couple, wouldn't use child minding services.
Would leave 3 very young children alone in a strange Country residence.
Just to go for a ' night out '.

For that alone, things smell very unsavoury.
As you say neglect.
There seems, to have been a lot of procrastination on this case plus diverting from the parents too.

It's very sad we may never now know what happened here.
However, just my opinion, I now know what I think myself.

As I said Chuff fully convinced me.
It's not nice to think it and I'd love to have my thinking changed again.
However, from all the actions of the parents on this all through since, I don't see my view I hold on this altering now.

[user104658]

The Portuguese authorities believe the McCanns are involved, by the way, there was then a concentrated media campaign to discredit them as “not proper police like British police” (nonsense, and a little racist).