[Glenn.]

Bless you. You tried

[Vicky.]

Asking them to wear skirts is not promoting equality unless they also ask the girls to do so? Otherwise the option should be given, not them told to do it? That would be equality surely..

Unless I am misunderstanding.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People should be able to wear what they like no?

I never said they couldn't...if a boy wants to wear a skirt then let him wear a skirt. However making primary school boys wear a skirt to promote equality is wrong. Asking them to do something they might feel uncomfortable doing but feeling compelled to do so because of peer pressure is unacceptable imo.

[Glenn.]

They wasn’t ‘made’ to do anything.

[LeatherTrumpet]

You would think after covid they would be buckling down to actual schoolwork?

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People should be able to wear what they like no? I mean that’s kinda how the world works. What is it about this that doesn’t sit right with you? Why is it wrong?

It's wrong cause it's turning a bunch of boys into a bunch of Jessie's.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

They wasn’t ‘made’ to do anything.

When a teacher suggests to a class or a year or the whole school that this is what they are doing...PRIMARY aged school kids are not going to refuse..they will feel peer pressure from friends and other teachers and feel pressured into doing something they possibly dont feel comfortable with. These are Primary school children...not senior school pupils that have developed an opinion on such matters.

Thats what is wrong...

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

When a teacher suggests to a class or a year or the whole school that this is what they are doing...PRIMARY aged school kids are not going to refuse..they will feel peer pressure from friends and other teachers and feel pressured into doing something they possibly dont feel comfortable with. These are Primary school children...not senior school pupils that have developed an opinion on such matters.

Thats what is wrong...

But again, nobody was made to to it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

People should be able to wear what they like no? I mean that’s kinda how the world works. What is it about this that doesn’t sit right with you? Why is it wrong?

Where has anybody said they can't? Are you seeing things that don't exist?

Other people should be able to criticise things if they like, that pleasure shouldn't be just for you.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's wrong cause it's turning a bunch of boys into a bunch of Jessie's.

As someone who has major masculinity issues I can see why you would say that. Bless.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Where has anybody said they can't? Are you seeing things that don't exist?

Other people should be able to criticise things if they like, that pleasure shouldn't be just for you.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Woke madness
Vile

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I understand a stance in Spain in support of someone who was expelled for wearing a skirt….but is this really necessary?

Originally Posted by Alf

The proof will be in the future, when the masculine Russian men invade. Thankfully, for the time being, your ideas are still in a very, very small minority, but they are growing.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is a very good reason for school uniform and rules at school

same applies to make-up and jewelry

follow the rules and learn

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I never said they couldn't...if a boy wants to wear a skirt then let him wear a skirt. However making primary school boys wear a skirt to promote equality is wrong. Asking them to do something they might feel uncomfortable doing but feeling compelled to do so because of peer pressure is unacceptable imo.

Originally Posted by parmnion

It's wrong cause it's turning a bunch of boys into a bunch of Jessie's.

It’s called reading between the lines Alf. It clearly is a problem for some people which it shouldn’t be.

[bitontheslide]

If boys and girls were treated equally in schools in everything else i could understand it, but they are not

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

When a teacher suggests to a class or a year or the whole school that this is what they are doing...PRIMARY aged school kids are not going to refuse..they will feel peer pressure from friends and other teachers and feel pressured into doing something they possibly dont feel comfortable with. These are Primary school children...not senior school pupils that have developed an opinion on such matters.

Thats what is wrong...

Surely at Primary age the parents would be consulted? My son's school would seek permission. Plus where have these skirts come from? I couldn't send my kid to school in a skirt that would fit him so he wouldn't be taking part.

Sounds like just a PR stunt to me

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It’s called reading between the lines Alf. It clearly is a problem for some people which it shouldn’t be.

please try to debate without member abuse

it really diminishes any point you are trying to make

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Surely at Primary age the parents would be consulted? My son's school would seek permission. Plus where have these skirts come from? I couldn't send my kid to school in a skirt that would fit him so he wouldn't be taking part.

Sounds like just a PR stunt to me

No doubt but seeking permission means nothing to a child of 10/11 who will not want to be any different to his friends or against a stance requested by a teacher….unless he is a child with a strong character he is going to go along with it whether he likes it or not. These are young children and personally I think they shouldn’t be put in this position…

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But again, nobody was made to to it.

You are completely missing my point….try imagining yourself as a young 10/11 year old…impressionable and not wanting to be seen as the odd one out by not wearing a skirt…but suppressing the embarrassment of wearing a skirt commonly worn by girls for the sake of making a statement suggested by your Teacher….who you have been told to learn from and respect.

If they were 14-16 they would be a little more mature and able to make that decision without influence…

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

the embarrassment of wearing a skirt commonly worn by girls

Why is wearing something “commonly worn by girls” inherently embarrassing?

That’s sort of the point and also the question you should ask yourself.

[Liam-]

Why are we still assigning genders to pieces of fabric?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why are we still assigning genders to pieces of fabric?

Why not? What's so important that you feel that you must change the normal?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why are we still assigning genders to pieces of fabric?

See though the issue here is, if you don’t buy into gender stereotyping, then you also can’t buy into gender fluidity, non-binary or even trans gender ideologies. All of them are 100% reliant on believing that stereotypically gendered roles, styles and norms are valid. Without them the concepts are largely meaningless. I find that the LGBTQ community ties itself in logical knots with this.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Alf

Why not? What's so important that you feel that you must change the normal?

its the same argument as

"its just men chasing around a leather sphere filled with air"

in other words

bolloxio

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are completely missing my point….try imagining yourself as a young 10/11 year old…impressionable and not wanting to be seen as the odd one out by not wearing a skirt…but suppressing the embarrassment of wearing a skirt commonly worn by girls for the sake of making a statement suggested by your Teacher….who you have been told to learn from and respect.

If they were 14-16 they would be a little more mature and able to make that decision without influence…

Or imagine the embarrassment and mental pain in the young boy suppressing his desire to wear a dress, his young mind suddenly scrambled further by all the cool kids wearing what he wants to, but is to shy to


Carrie vibes..

[parmnion]

In a nutshell...

People who want all this, dont give 2 flying ****s about the feelings of the people in the same situation, who dont want their situation highlighted.

Insulate britain vibes.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

please try to debate without member abuse

it really diminishes any point you are trying to make

Please stop trying to mod me because you have zero point to make

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Please stop trying to mod me because you have zero point to make

You ain't exactly pointing any points on the subject yourself.