[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes i have to show them my double jag confirmation letter before I show my ticket. The smallest boy does not as he is too young

That must take an age to get everyone in.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That must take an age to get everyone in.

We go in a side door so dont use turnstyles but lots have the app on their phone and just scan the barcode thing at the new machines

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Have you ever had to prove it LT.

When I was at the brighton newcastle game at the weekend nobody from the north east was being checked, unless the sniffer dogs can tell if you ain't?

It's not required in England, its a Scottish rule so far

[Alf]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When it's too late is when it will be enough for the fearful. They're too far gone, they believe government have authority over them and they have to do as they're told by people they don:t even know. Brainwashed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Parmy]

I will stop taking my jabs when you have to pay for them..until then im gonna grab everything I can get.

[bots]

in a year or so it will be like taking a panadol, i don't think vaccination has a long term future

[Parmy]

I've chosen to take the vaccine, nobody forced me.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've chosen to take the vaccine, nobody forced me.

Exactly how it should be.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've chosen to take the vaccine, nobody forced me.

that is like buying Heinz soup and saying the same thing

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I've chosen to take the vaccine, nobody forced me.

Me too…but it’s got to a point that those that don’t want to have to in order to keep their jobs or not see loved ones in homes

[bots]

we have to remember the outcry there was over the deaths in care homes at the start of the pandemic. If the government didn't make it mandatory for nhs and care home staff, there would be a huge backlash

[Crimson Dynamo]

all care home residents will be double jagged and have had boosters already

[rusticgal]

It’s a tough one….it seems wrong that people who feel pressured into getting the jab so they either keep their job or be able to visit loved ones in homes etc….it’s forcing them to do something they don’t want to do or feel comfortable with.
On the other hand most of us feel we will do anything to help stop the spread of this awful virus…but we really don’t know the long term effects…short term yes…but long term no…

[user104658]

This is not about “forcing people to have it”, they don’t “have” to have it but they do have to have it to work with vulnerable people. Things like this are not a strange or “new” requirement. For example you also need a Enhanced Disclosure document (to prove you’re not dodgy) to work with vulnerable people. No one is being “forced to give over an enhanced disclosure about themself” - but they do have to do it to work with vulnerable people.

They are free to not work with vulnerable people.

It is not “force”.

That simple.

If it was becoming a requirement to work in any random job then yes I can appreciate that’s a step too far, but healthcare? If you don’t believe in medical science you have no place in healthcare anyway.

[bots]

yes, thats a very good point. Think even about things like to be a life guard you need to be able to swim to a certain standard, to work as a paramedic you need to have medical qualifications. There are a huge number of jobs where there are already mandatory requirements. It's not unique at all

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is not about “forcing people to have it”, they don’t “have” to have it but they do have to have it to work with vulnerable people. Things like this are not a strange or “new” requirement. For example you also need a Enhanced Disclosure document (to prove you’re not dodgy) to work with vulnerable people. No one is being “forced to give over an enhanced disclosure about themself” - but they do have to do it to work with vulnerable people.

They are free to not work with vulnerable people.

It is not “force”.

That simple.

If it was becoming a requirement to work in any random job then yes I can appreciate that’s a step too far, but healthcare? If you don’t believe in medical science you have no place in healthcare anyway.

Rubbish, the hospital staff have until April, which suggests they're safe enough to work for another 5 months. If they were a danger they would be let go with immediate effect. I hope they all strike for the Winter until these authoritarian mandates are scrapped. Then we'll see a pandemic.

Canada have already backed down from their mandates.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Rubbish, the hospital staff have until April, which suggests they're safe enough to work for another 5 months. If they were a danger they would be let go with immediate effect. I hope they all strike for the Winter until these authoritarian mandates are scrapped. Then we'll see a pandemic.

Canada have already backed down from their mandates.

I didn’t say anything about how safe it is or isn’t, I said having a vaccine mandate to work with vulnerable people does not constitute an encroachment on individual freedoms. It’s a job requirement. Think of it like a qualification, I suppose. It’s like 3-C’s-at-GCSE Jimmy being told he can’t have a job as a research academic because he doesn’t have a degree and him saying “waaah but I want to be a research academic, why are you stealing muh freedoms”. Or a man with no arms being told he unfortunately can’t be a firefighter, and screaming “discrimination!”.

It’s not a freedoms issue. It’s a job requirement. If you can’t or don’t want to meet the job requirements, find another job.

That said it’s all probably an empty threat anyway - there’s already a dire shortage of healthcare staff, they can’t afford to fire too many. They might just make a few highly publicised examples and hope that it’s enough to convince the others.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn’t say anything about how safe it is or isn’t, I said having a vaccine mandate to work with vulnerable people does not constitute an encroachment on individual freedoms. It’s a job requirement. Think of it like a qualification, I suppose. It’s like 3-C’s-at-GCSE Jimmy being told he can’t have a job as a research academic because he doesn’t have a degree and him saying “waaah but I want to be a research academic, why are you stealing muh freedoms”. Or a man with no arms being told he unfortunately can’t be a firefighter, and screaming “discrimination!”.

It’s not a freedoms issue. It’s a job requirement. If you can’t or don’t want to meet the job requirements, find another job.

That said it’s all probably an empty threat anyway - there’s already a dire shortage of healthcare staff, they can’t afford to fire too many. They might just make a few highly publicised examples and hope that it’s enough to convince the others.

Does Jimmy have to inject something into his body?

Would you inject heroin into you if it was mandated to keep your job, or would you be angry that you had to do that, and feel you're being oppressed?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Would you inject heroin into you if it was mandated to keep your job, or would you be angry that you had to do that, and feel you're being oppressed?

The fact that you’re equating a vaccine to heroin honestly is just a ludicrous example of why this isn’t a real debate of any kind. I largely agree that medical procedures shouldn’t be mandatory but this is just over-the-top nonsense. “And what if your employer said you had to shoot someone in the face - would you do that???”. Soldiers (real ones, not the friendlier, more handsome Toy versions) have to do that. So I choose not to become a soldier. I don’t say “uhh but actually I still want to be a soldier I can’t believe you won’t let me be a soldier who doesn’t shoot anyone!”

In fact you can use an example I’ve already used. Running into a burning building is literally a million times more risky than taking a vaccine. Would I run into a burning building if my boss told me to? No ****ing chance. Guess who does that. Firefighters. People who don’t want to run into burning buildings don’t get to be firefighters. People who don’t want to vaccinate against illnesses that could kill their patients don’t get to work in healthcare. This is not a complicated issue.

[AnnieK]

I can't fathom why they would NOT want a jab. There is now enough statistical information to prove that jabs lower your risk of serious illness....dealing with sick people I would like all the protection I could. Like construction workers are not allowed on site without a hard hat, steel toe caps and high vis....