[user104658]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think that there’s anything real to understand, Mock.

One of the main issues with trying to understand it is that there's no consensus even amongst people who consider themselves to be non-binary. So you could listen in depth to several people and feel like you'd developed a good understanding, only for someone else to tell you that it's all wrong and you don't understand it at all.

The crux of the whole thing is hyperindividualism so there's no over-arching concept to understand ... it's just people's vague thoughts about themselves as individuals, and ham-fisted attempts to group, categorise and label individual personality traits.

What I find amusing is that the circle seems to close but in a really confused way. "I am in fact so different and unique that NONE of the pronouns fit and I need my own 100% unique pronouns!" ... yes that already exists... it's called a proper noun ... i.e. your name...

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

One of the main issues with trying to understand it is that there's no consensus even amongst people who consider themselves to be non-binary. So you could listen in depth to several people and feel like you'd developed a good understanding, only for someone else to tell you that it's all wrong and you don't understand it at all.

The crux of the whole thing is hyperindividualism so there's no over-arching concept to understand ... it's just people's vague thoughts about themselves as individuals, and ham-fisted attempts to group, categorise and label individual personality traits.

What I find amusing is that the circle seems to close but in a really confused way. "I am in fact so different and unique that NONE of the pronouns fit and I need my own 100% unique pronouns!" ... yes that already exists... it's called a proper noun ... i.e. your name...

Yep. I absolutely agree. Human diversity in personality is so incredibly varied and complex and rightly-so but biologically you’re either male or female (hermaphroditism aside). “I’m female but don’t like pink so must be gender-fluid” is like … nah. Pink wasn’t even a stereotypically feminine colour until comparatively recently. You don’t need to use gender to express your individuality. You say you feel like gender boxes construct you, so why are you going back to said concept just to be your own person and expand on your individuality within your own limits?

Biologically. Non-binary just does not exist. It’s more man-made than societal constructs arising from gender. And it’s so 2018. It was cringe. then.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Being honest I don't fully understand Non-Binary, especially the ones that go with the pronouns he/them or she/them as you're telling me that you think you're binary and non-binary, that makes no sense to me.

However I don't hate Non-Binary people as they're not harming anyone with this stuff, but it's just something I need to try to understand better I think.

After all when I was growing up our generation was probably the last generation that didn't know what a gender Non-Binary person was, so it's probably a generational thing for a lot of us.

When it comes to the " not harming" thing , social media has become a huge influence with this whole ' non binary' nonsense now. As you said ...it doesn't make sense ,and I honestly think majority of people who go by " they/ them" pronouns just want attention or they're confused,plus they enjoy making people just as puzzled as them... And they seem to get argumentative when anyone ' misgenders' them ,and they expect us all to be mind readers. It really is a clown world now .

Yes people can identify how they please, but if ' non binany ' means NIETHER gender or INBETWEEN, then why are they putting themselves under the ' trans' umbrella ...and also using like you said they/ them / her / him aswell ,it literally makes no sense.

I honestly think alot of the people now identifying under the LGBTQ+ category..... likely would have been goth or emo back in my childhood & teen years at school & college,as that was the 'trend' back then . But now the new trend is LGBTQ+ related stuff.

[user104658]

Honestly on all sorts of issues when I boil them right back I keep coming up with "... the internet" as a major cause of a lot of things. I don't think it was meant to happen. In so many ways a great thing, the whole world interconnected, but I don't think the unfathomable scale of millions (billions) of people in easy/instant contact with one another is quite compatible with human psychology. It's resulting in some really bizarre sociology .

[Zizu]

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