[Garfie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

there are no drama queens in the season (with the possible exception of David) No one is providing that aspect that is usually a feature of BB. The worst louis has done are a few less than diplomatic quips. So why is Fern being singled out?

I think it’s quite refreshing to have an alternative set of people, rather than the usual predictable groupings.

I don’t believe anyone hates Fern or believes her to be a bad person, but are just discussing her character flaws, something she has just like any other housemate in there. To me, comments about her, are not her being singled out, but the recognition that she - just like all the others - isn’t perfect either.

I don’t dislike Fern, but she doesn’t particularly appeal to me, as I find her the least interesting to watch. I guess responses to housemates all comes down to personal preference and those we are drawn to or not. We don’t all like the same people in real life, and we aren’t all going to like the same housemates.

[Jordan.]

Showed her true colours with her deeply personal nomination of Ekin-Su. Wicked lady.

[Garfie]

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Garfie

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

Good post Garfie, we like (dislike) people for different reasons.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Garfie

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

Fair post imo.

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Garfie

The truth is, though, that merely having a different interpretation or opinion about a housemate is not hatred or targeting. It is just a different perception, and who can say who is right or wrong, as no-one can get inside a housemate’s head and truly know the motives for their words, actions and behaviours.

This is why opinions should be presented as merely opinions, rather than facts. Just because someone chooses to state a point of view is correct, it doesn’t mean it is.

Perceptions do, indeed, differ, Carfie, but ultimately there is only one truth.

To quote Soren Kierkegaard
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true"

[Cherie]

I am not anti Fern but she isn't quite the angel she is being made out to be, she has stepped up recently so lets see how it all pans out now that protagonist is out of the house, if she starts picking on Louis, she will have me to deal with though

[Ammi]

…just slightly off topic but I don’t know if anyone has read any of her fictions…?..I might give one a whirl, tbh….

‘Her books are cherished for their warmth, wit and wisdom, and have won Fern legions of loyal readers….’….

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…just slightly off topic but I don’t know if anyone has read any of her fictions…?..I might give one a whirl, tbh….

‘Her books are cherished for their warmth, wit and wisdom, and have won Fern legions of loyal readers….’….

I read her autobiography….

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not anti Fern but she isn't quite the angel she is being made out to be,

Nor Marisha!

[jet]

Fern isn't that exciting, granted, but she offers more than the young fella's do.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by HettyLip

Perceptions do, indeed, differ, Carfie, but ultimately there is only one truth.

To quote Soren Kierkegaard
"There are two ways to be fooled. One is to believe what isn't true;
the other is to refuse to believe what is true"

I love your responses, Hetty Lip, and the quote is great, but i feel that life is often a matter of perception, and being only human, we can interpret the truth differently, as no-one can stand outside themselves and all the experiences and influences they have had.

Sometimes, I think there is no truth but only perception, so in fact, there can be numerous ‘truths’. Reality and perception is such a fascinating concept.

[Ammi]

…I think for me with Fern, I neither like her or dislike her…she’s someone who I was less familiar with when she went into the house in terms of watching her shows…/…her TV work etc../…her celebrity…and I feel as though that hasn’t changed very much through her time there…she seems to be someone who is ‘holding back’ quite a bit…I mean, maybe they all are but Fern for me seems noticing so because she’s made comments about them all being great people and attaching to them etc…but when she gave her reasons for nominating Ekin-Su, it felt like a release of a lot of negative things…she really had been holding on to some stuff that wasn’t ’great people’ stuff so she’s holding back on things that would help us to get to know her and that’s an essence of BB…?…snyesy, I don’t dislike her, I’ve seen nothing to dislike particularly…but that’s it, really…I’ve seen very little and would have liked to see more…we watch BB to get to know people/housemates…so ‘guarded’ doesn’t really give us very much at all…

[Ammi]

…anyway, in terms of house/group dynamics, Fern has most definitely held more interest and provided more talking points than some of the others…

[HettyLip]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I love your responses, Hetty Lip, and the quote is great, but i feel that life is often a matter of perception, and being only human, we can interpret the truth differently, as no-one can stand outside themselves and all the experiences and influences they have had.

Sometimes, I think there is no truth but only perception, so in fact, there can be numerous ‘truths’. Reality and perception is such a fascinating concept.

Perception is subjective, a mere interpretation rather than the product of rationality. It is partial and produces an assessment tainted by emotion, a hierarchy of personal preferences. in short favouritism rather than the impartial reasoning that guides logic. .

The truth is not subject to interpretation based on personal preferences. The truth is imperial.. It is not an opinion and not compromised by personal feelings, one of the building blocks of subjectivity.

Consider the following: A man is accused of murdering a woman in the West End of London at 8pm on a Sunday. In court he claims that he was in Newcastle at 8pm on the Sunday in question and that he could not possibly have murdered the woman. Conclusion: There can only be one truth, no matter what is said, and this maxim applies to everything.

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[Gusto Brunt]

I noticed in last night's 'highlights' she showed more of her true self when she said this was the shi****t day.

[Bronzo]

Fern comes across as fake to me, disingenuous. I think others in the house have seen it also, she is often nominated.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Bronzo

Fern comes across as fake to me, disingenuous. I think others in the house have seen it also, she is often nominated.

She gets nominated because she is an easy pick who won’t take offence…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She gets nominated because she is an easy pick who won’t take offence…

Pretty sure she will


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[OnTheRight]

And here she is......crying again.
God, I hope she goes tomorrow.

[Cherie]

She was pretty brutal when she thought she was evicting Louis..... not even a second thought on it ....and he didn't nominate her ...thinks she is a friend..yikes

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by OnTheRight

And here she is......crying again.
God, I hope she goes tomorrow.

Going for the sympathy vote .. so predictable


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[Zizu]

I’ve gonna split my vote between Marisha and Zeze to try and get Fern out


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[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’ve gonna split my vote between Marisha and Zeze to try and get Fern out


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You’d be better putting them on Zeze only. I don’t think Marisha stands a chance unfortunately.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

You’d be better putting them on Zeze only. I don’t think Marisha stands a chance unfortunately.

Yes I'm saving Zeze. Not keen on the others nominated.