[thesheriff443]

Wasn’t there an outcry be pensioners could claim it when they basically did need it as they were well off and some getting it and not even living in this country

[user104658]

What really gets me is that the saving will be tiny. It's not a big payment. If it was going to save them obscene amounts of money that would be one thing, but it's like kicking your granny to save 50p.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

What really gets me is that the saving will be tiny. It's not a big payment. If it was going to save them obscene amounts of money that would be one thing, but it's like kicking your granny to save 50p.

it's not just that. Down here, its rare that we get a cold enough snap thats long enough for the payment to be triggered.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's not just that. Down here, its rare that we get a cold enough snap thats long enough for the payment to be triggered.

Winter fuel allowance is paid regardless of the weather?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Winter fuel allowance is paid regardless of the weather?

f you get certain benefits and the temperature drops to zero degrees celsius or below for 7 days in a row

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

f you get certain benefits and the temperature drops to zero degrees celsius or below for 7 days in a row

Okay I looked this up as my aunt is not on benefits but has always got the winter fuel allowance, you are talking about cold weather payments which are an extra payment of 25.00 if the weather falls below 0 degrees for 7 days running.....if you didnt get your winter fuel allowance last year I would be chasing that one up

Just listened to the lady from Age UK there are currently 12 million pensioners, 1.4 of those on pension credit with another 800k who could claim but dont, so that leaves 10 million pensioners who Labour think are too well off to get the payment, 2 million of those earn just a few pounds above the threshold in some cases 6.00.... ...

[Livia]

£11 billion to overseas green projects. £8 million a day to house people who are here illegally. Cut the winter fuel allowance for our elderly, predominantly people who've paid tax all their lives and many who are too proud to claim benefits. And that's Labour, is it?

[Alf]

Less than 3 months ago

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Alf

Less than 3 months ago

Yeah... They're an easy target. Lots of people don't realise they'll be elderly one day and no one will fight for them either.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

Less than 3 months ago

and this is why I couldn't vote Labour....liar

[Livia]

I have an auntie, worked for BT as a clerk and paid into a pension. She is not a wealthy woman but she's better off than some. She slipped into I'll health in the last few years, became immobile and needs carers. Because she has a pension she pays almost £900 per month to fund her own care. Her daughter - my cousin - had to give up her well paid job because my aunt needs constant care and she didn't want her mother put in a care home. My cousin receives the princely sum of £79 a week because she cares for my aunt 24 house a day, 7 days a week. It would be £59 if the care for her mother was less than 24 hours a day. The majority of the outside carers who visit are slapdash, are gone after 10 minutes of a 30 minute visit and there seems to be no comeback on them or the companies they work for. The Care Quality Commission is a joke and the local council's elderly care dept is not fit for purpose.

No one cares about the elderly, nor the families who give up their jobs and lives to look after them. I think it shames our country. Taking the winter fuel allowance from them while money is poured into less worthy areas just underlines that fact.

[bots]

it speaks to the character of the people making the decisions. They were full of promises before the election, but their first big decision, in their first month, they decide to go after the most vulnerable in society and punish them. What the hell are they going to be like a few months down the line

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it speaks to the character of the people making the decisions. They were full of promises before the election, but their first big decision, in their first month, they decide to go after the most vulnerable in society and punish them. What the hell are they going to be like a few months down the line

Labour making a difference..


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[joeysteele]

I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.

[Vanessa]

This will lose them a lot of votes when it's time for elections again.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.

You were the first one I thought of Joey and I knew you would be disgusted and would feel let down

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You were the first one I thought of Joey and I knew you would be disgusted and would feel let down

I just got back from Rome today.
I've had 2 weeks away from phones and internet.
Tried to avoid any news.

Once I saw this, properly on my return,I was gobsmacked.
It's way out of anything I expected to take place.

Energy costs are going up again in October by more than they came down in July.
It's MORE help required not less.
Disgusted is the word Cherie.

I mean I can agree, the really rich millionaires pensioners and those with massive private pensions like big Company directors.
They don't need it.

No, I'm against this and I hope there's a change of heart.
It actually comes across as vindictive more like to penalise the elderly for governmental mistakes and wrongdoing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I just got back from Rome today.
I've had 2 weeks away from phones and internet.
Tried to avoid any news.

Once I saw this, properly on my return,I was gobsmacked.
It's way out of anything I expected to take place.

Energy costs are going up again in October by more than they came down in July.
It's MORE help required not less.
Disgusted is the word Cherie.

I mean I can agree, the really rich millionaires pensioners and those with massive private pensions like big Company directors.
They don't need it.

No, I'm against this and I hope there's a change of heart.
It actually comes across as vindictive more like to penalise the elderly for governmental mistakes and wrongdoing.

bang on right Joey

and welcome back!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm against this.
I expect a lot of moaning from Labour members against this.

I recall the Cons saying this possibly should be means tested but it would cost a significant sum to process that.

I get that it's ridiculous that millionaires and millionaires plus.
Also large company directors retiring on massive pay offs and pensions, that they get this winter fuel payments too.

However it cannot just be left to claiming pension credit.
Plus as has been said, masses of pensioners aren't getting pension credit.
Although entitled to it.
Until Reeves knew ( which she does not), that ALL those entitled to pension credit ARE getting it.
Then she shouldn't be doing this.

Plus the cut off needs to be a lot higher.
If she needs to find 22 billion REALLY.
Then this is pointless, it will only yield 1.4 billion.

Shocking start to her being Chancellor, smells of cowardice and unfairness all through.
She has to be made to re -think this one.

I am myself really disappointed with her on this.
This is on a par with the coalition government's persecution of the sick and disabled.

Did anyone warn you about what a Starmer government would do? Asking for a friend.

Too many woke, social justice luvvies, in this thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

They're just a concerned government, upset with what has been happening in communities.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They're just a concerned government, upset with what has been happening in communities.

i can only talk for myself, and i am a concerned, directly affected pensioner

[Crimson Dynamo]

My old mum used to rely on this

They hate old people as they don't vote for them

heartless

[smudgie]

Oh dear, it’s not just the pensioners.
Sick and disabled won’t be getting it either.

[bots]

the problem with means testing is it costs a lot in administration to do. It also directly puts in danger very vulnerable people. These people may actually die with no heating. Many are not able to keep active and warm. Many, like me, are on blood thinners, that make you more susceptible to the cold. It's not just that they are old, it's that they are medically not able to cope with the cold.

The government know this and still decided to make them the prime target. It's unthinkable from a caring society

[Cherie]

Apparently there will be a vote on this next Tuesday, its all being kept very quiet?

https://news.sky.com/video/mps-to-ge...-cuts-13210066