[arista]

Rachel Reeves MP the Chancellor
confirmed today on 2 Political shows.


Thats a large amount,

Markets are watching her...................


[More than 10,000 civil servants jobs
could be cut as part of Labour's push
for 5% savings across its departments,
a government source has said.
Headcount in the civil service
topped 513,000 this year,
a 33% increase on 2016 levels
and the eighth year in a row that the
total has risen, according to the
Institute for Government, external.
Ministers now recognised civil service numbers
"have gone up and up and in reality
that is not going to be able to continue,"
the source told the BBC.

On Monday, Chancellor Rachel Reeves
launched a spending review that will
force ministers to cut budgets in the
run up of the 2029 general election.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdek2ygzz8eo

[Cherie]

Awful, add that to the 10,000 losing their jobs in NHS England, and then they want the disabled to go back to work, where are all these jobs being created?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Awful, add that to the 10,000 losing their jobs in NHS England, and then they want the disabled to go back to work, where are all these jobs being created?

So true

[Redway]

Oh, noo.

[bots]

all this crap is unheard of in previous labour governments. They are now worse than the tories were

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bots

all this crap is unheard of in previous labour governments. They are now worse than the tories were

I agree, it's utterly dire, we've basically upped all of our insurances (life, critical illness cover, salary protection etc) because at this point I feel that anyone needing any sort of state assistance is in a very precarious position.

[Ammi]

…I can see a big fat Labour Party rebellion…well, I hope there is a big fat Labour Party rebellion and that there is some redemption for a Labour of the future going forward…/…atm they’re sealing their end and their last stand as it were…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I can see a big fat Labour Party rebellion…well, I hope there is a big fat Labour Party rebellion and that there is some redemption for a Labour of the future going forward…/…atm they’re sealing their end and their last stand as it were…

They are indeed.
There are a great many who would rebel on the Labour backbenchers and I do hope they will.
However with a massive overall majority of around 165+
It's unlikely they'd be beaten in a vote in parliament.
I never supported or liked these large overall majorities.
Even moreso on Parties only getting anything from mid 30s to low 40s of actual votes.

Absolutely it's not necessarily votes that decide the government but who wins the most seats
It is why I still firmly believe in only PR for elections.
To end this in my view, gross misrepresentation of votes versus seats.
This electoral system more fails the UK as to governance now.

Ironically even if the current polling is anywhere right.
An election under first past the post would still mean a likely Labour led government in a probable coalition with the LibDems.
Under this first past the post failing system.
Because every other Party in parliament, except for perhaps 40% of the Cons; would want to ensure Reform are NEVER in any kind of power.

I personally don't oppose some reduction in civil servants at all.
However I'm so disillusioned and infuriated right now because of the more callous way the policies are even being presented, never mind the extent of them too.
I most certainly did NOT canvass for this.
So they really will need to have turned many things around in 3 to 4 years and make sure they do.
Not just sit and hope for a bad start, good finish scenario.
It certainly looks like my dream of PR in elections is off the table for possibly decades.
Because I could now see possibly a truce scenario between most of the Cons and Labour even to ensure Reform are kept out.

Like the scenario in Germany.
Plus in the Republic of Ireland where 2 political enemies join together in shared government to keep out Sinn Fein.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They are indeed.
There are a great many who would rebel on the Labour backbenchers and I do hope they will.
However with a massive overall majority of around 165+
It's unlikely they'd be beaten in a vote in parliament.
I never supported or liked these large overall majorities.
Even moreso on Parties only getting anything from mid 30s to low 40s of actual votes.

Absolutely it's not necessarily votes that decide the government but who wins the most seats
It is why I still firmly believe in only PR for elections.
To end this in my view, gross misrepresentation of votes versus seats.
This electoral system more fails the UK as to governance now.

Ironically even if the current polling is anywhere right.
An election under first past the post would still mean a likely Labour led government in a probable coalition with the LibDems.
Under this first past the post failing system.
Because every other Party in parliament, except for perhaps 40% of the Cons; would want to ensure Reform are NEVER in any kind of power.

I personally don't oppose some reduction in civil servants at all.
However I'm so disillusioned and infuriated right now because of the more callous way the policies are even being presented, never mind the extent of them too.
I most certainly did NOT canvass for this.
So they really will need to have turned many things around in 3 to 4 years and make sure they do.
Not just sit and hope for a bad start, good finish scenario.
It certainly looks like my dream of PR in elections is off the table for possibly decades.
Because I could now see possibly a truce scenario between most of the Cons and Labour even to ensure Reform are kept out.

Like the scenario in Germany.
Plus in the Republic of Ireland where 2 political enemies join together in shared government to keep out Sinn Fein.

…all a nation needs after years of austerity and struggling is to see so many job cuts and so much targeting of the most vulnerable, this really does betray what the party have stood for and atm its shaming them horrendously…Kier Starmer has pledged a huge investment and attention to potholes and their much needed repair…and yes, they have needed repair but when people lose their jobs/are cut from their jobs, they can’t afford to travel or even run a car so those potholes become less and less an investment needed…

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I agree, it's utterly dire, we've basically upped all of our insurances (life, critical illness cover, salary protection etc) because at this point I feel that anyone needing any sort of state assistance is in a very precarious position.

They seem to be doing a lot for illegal immigrants

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They seem to be doing a lot for illegal immigrants

Only if you believe the Reform propaganda and cherry-picked examples - they're not really doing all that much, immigration is not the problem it's a distraction (a deliberate one).

Tax the mega rich. Tax the corporations. That is the answer, and that's what NO ONE seems willing to do... relying on a myth about "trickle-down economics" that's been long proven to be absolutely bogus. It doesn't happen. There is no trickle-down. The billionaires have our money; not immigrants of any description.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Only if you believe the Reform propaganda and cherry-picked examples - they're not really doing all that much, immigration is not the problem it's a distraction (a deliberate one).

Tax the mega rich. Tax the corporations. That is the answer, and that's what NO ONE seems willing to do... relying on a myth about "trickle-down economics" that's been long proven to be absolutely bogus. It doesn't happen. There is no trickle-down. The billionaires have our money; not immigrants of any description.

You think hundreds of illegal coming in every day being housed in hotels fed given healthcare and all other manner of goods is propaganda ?

Tax the mega rich but,

The old saying charity begins at home and that’s not what the government is doing and that’s a fact

[arista]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

They seem to be doing a lot for illegal immigrants

Labour is doing the wrong thing.


[Tens of thousands of people are stuck in hotels
on the public purse.]

[bots]

pensioners, the sick and vulnerable, farmers, the nhs and now the civil service and we are not a year in to the labour government. Something has to give

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Oliver_W]

Hm, I doubt anyone would argue that the civil service is particularly well-run or good value for money.

[Beso]

Ministers now recognised civil service numbers
"have gone up and up and in reality
that is not going to be able to continue,"
the source told the BBC


If only they could see and do the same with illegal immigration.

[Beso]

I could now see possibly a truce scenario between most of the Cons and Labour even to ensure Reform are kept out.

Like the scenario in Germany.
Plus in the Republic of Ireland where 2 political enemies join together in shared government to keep out Sinn Fein.


Sounds like they would be trampling all over the will of the people with that one. Like a dictatorship, so to speak.

[bots]

there are ways of approaching changes to the economy. Labour ran on a manifesto of growth. That was their commitment to the electorate. It's difficult to see how cutting thousands of jobs and making it more expensive for employers to recruit is going to result in growth.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bots

there are ways of approaching changes to the economy. Labour ran on a manifesto of growth. That was their commitment to the electorate. It's difficult to see how cutting thousands of jobs and making it more expensive for employers to recruit is going to result in growth.

Bots, could you please go and get that into Ms Reeve's head.
She for sure isn't listening to her own Party at all.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Bots, could you please go and get that into Ms Reeve's head.
She for sure isn't listening to her own Party at all.

…our Rachel needs to polish up her multi tasking skills, I think…she’s too single focused on choosing her outfit for her free Sabrina Carpenter concert seats, while cutting off hundreds of incomes for many people…gal can’t do everything, Joey….pffftttt…

[Cherie]

I don't know where these extra civil servants are working but it sure isn't in the HMRC, almost 2 years now since Mr C and his partner asked to dissolve their company and it is still ongoing, according to the accountant, 3 years is not unheard of ....

[Beso]

It can be both, no?

[Beso]

Feeding the immigrants may be small potatoes., but the legal fees that comes from it wont be.

How much Russian oligarch money did we freeze from all the billionaires? 25 billion or something!

In 2022 immigration( legal or otherwise) was costing the taxpayer 3 billion a year, I'm assuming that will have doubled by now, so it dont take much maths with those 2 figures to work out what's draining our tax money. Tax money desperately needed elsewhere.

Look at our inner cities, the large ones are decaying before our very eyes at a rapid rate while our smaller ones have become ghost towns.

Its evident that we cant sustain the influx and the costs that come with it..its not like it's going away anytime soon.

But yeah, labour when in opposition often spun out the mantra that billionaires should be taxed higher, but now in power they have ran away from that idea like many many other ideas they used to boast about..