[arista]

More Rain
on it's way again

[arista]

Live Conference on all news now.


It is raining again.

Police are asking the public
All to stay away
while they clear up more

[arista]

There have been camps near that river for 100 Years,
The press asked why No Siren?

The team confirmed they will now look at that.

[arista]

A Loud Siren
would save more lives

[arista]

Total Deaths now at 78

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

[Texans are frustrated with the lack of an
efficient emergency response system to let
victims know a severe storm was underway]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...r-service.html

They have one, it's called a cell phone.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Maru

They have one, it's called a cell phone.

Tell him Maru, we have things called weather forecasts as well....

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

There have been camps near that river for 100 Years,
The press asked why No Siren?

The team confirmed they will now look at that.

Sirens generally are for tornado warnings (ie shelter in place), not floods, and it doesn't give any meaningful information. We have flood gauges (If you're curious what that looks like...) along all our waterways that send out readings regularly and if there are nearby high water levels, they sometimes issue alerts to the phones locally. That still doesn't give information about what to do. They will tell you stay home and "climb to the highest level". What they won't sometimes tell you is bring an axe or at least make sure you have a way out because it's possible you may need to open the roof and stay there until the water recedes. They can't say "escape!", because that's dependent on where people are.

Most roadways are designed to become part of a drainage system (if one exists) when the system becomes overwhelmed, so they're generally not safe when there are active floods nearby. In rural areas, it's precarious because while the roads are generally higher up on dry land, there's still dips and there's no way to tell how high water actually is and it takes very little moving water to move a car or knock someone off balance. 6 inches is enough to make it difficult to step through without falling.

There comes a point when people need to hold themselves accountable and to become more aware of their own surroundings. Sure, one could take off and drive one direction, but it's entirely possible they put themselves in an even worse situation if they have no clue where dry land is. Drowning due to being caught in moving water in a motor vehicle is probably the #1 way that people die from floods even in areas prone to them. That's why it's important to know the watershed when living in a climate prone to severe weather (which we are). We have a fault line near where we live that goes up a few feet and we can still the local waterway, so that's where I drive up to when we've had high water. I'm generally aware of the elevation of my local area because I know how to read a flood map and keep an eye on the radar.

The sad reality is flooding is a very difficult situation to find yourself in. You're pretty much SOL. There is NO emergency response when there is catastrophic flooding. Often local govt is in the same situation as the people caught in the storm at least until there is some chance to assess and they're able to get reports of where people are waiting to be rescued (helicopter, boat or local response). And even then the response is very limited until roads dry up. Often they have to call in external support. So, instead it's often neighbors helping neighbors and that dude you thought was a weird for redoing the suspension on his truck so that it sits 2-3' higher off the ground (it looks silly). That dude and all his frens with 4-wheelers become your lifelong best friend as they go around the neighborhood picking people up from flooded homes and moving them to dry land where other neighbors are sitting and waiting. That's just a fact.

[arista]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Every organiser in charge of children in that area will be equipped with a NOAA Weather Radio that does not depend on cell phone signal

NWR broadcasts official Weather Service warnings, watches, forecasts and other hazard information 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

The NWS said Flash Flood Warnings were issued on the night of July 3 and in the early
morning of July 4, "giving preliminary lead times of more than three hours before
warning criteria were met."

First reports from Kerr County Sheriffs Office of flooding at low water crossings had 201
minutes of lead time (4:35 AM CDT).

Like Tornado warnings people get so many that they become jaded and less atuned to the danger

[arista]

The Current Total Death count is 82
dead bodies.

Sadly, it includes 27 young girl campers and counselors
Who was in the building right next to the River

Ref: CNN HD USA on UK TV.

[arista]

President Trump is now due to visit there
on Friday.

He will need a lot of Protection officers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pediatrician fired for vile post politicizing devastating Texas floods: May Trump supporters get ‘what they voted for’

[arista]

Yes, they do not want Political fights.
They want help to clear the way.


So long as they give their name
to the Police in control,
As they do not want any more losses.

[arista]

Sadly, it's 89 Dead.
Now

[arista]

Sadly, 91 are dead

[Zizu]

After a lifetime of watching cowboy movies I always pictured Texas to be a flat , deserted wasteland punctuated by oil wells … and the last place to be having floods !!


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

After a lifetime of watching cowboy movies I always pictured Texas to be a flat , deserted wasteland punctuated by oil wells … and the last place to be having floods !!


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The highest point is Guadalupe Peak, which stands at an elevation of 8,751 feet (2,667 meters) is twice the height of Ben Nevis. It is located in Guadalupe Mountains National Park.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The highest point is Guadalupe Peak, which stands at an elevation of 8,751 feet (2,667 meters) is twice the height of Ben Nevis. It is located in Guadalupe Mountains National Park.

I obviously watched the wrong programs

LOL


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[Maru]

Originally Posted by Zizu

After a lifetime of watching cowboy movies I always pictured Texas to be a flat , deserted wasteland punctuated by oil wells … and the last place to be having floods !!

Texas' climate is diverse, but we are mostly in a subtropical region and highly prone to inclement weather. Think lots and lots of wet, badass thunderstorms with heavy lightning and wind. The stuff of movies. It often leads to flash flooding, but this is our normal.

We are on an active floodplain. It's like living on a top of a volcano, but instead of occasional lava flows, parts of that floodplain go under water at times (which alters geography overtime). Add to this, we're on a clay layer so water doesn't absorb easily back into the ground. So it's not just probable, it's guaranteed hence why it's called floodplain. That's why I get so annoyed about our dependence on FEMA instead of mitigating risks (but we can't ever fully eliminate it). Cities and municipalities know their own risks, but they still choose to build new construction at grade with few regulations and this increases the risk of downstream structures every time they deforest and pave over more of the floodplain with cement... if there is no ground exposed, then the water has no where to go, ends up in a bayou/river and it's all dependent on how fast the system can drain during heavy rains. If there is no room (room is made overtime with erosion), everything at that point including downstream will flood... there are older neighborhoods in our watershed that never historically flooded, but now flood regularly because the water that isn't going into the ground has to go somewhere and it's downstream...

Climate change, whether it exists or not, is often used as a cop out for municipalities and maintenance districts not doing their part. Texas has an issue with sprawl where new neighborhoods are built further up the watershed and as soon as those structures are built, everything downstream can be impacted with worsening or even new occurrences of flooding. Instead of saying "Oh we ****ed up", climate change is brought up in the equation to avoid taking accountability for poor flood mitigation...


Re: Weather; FWIW, the storms that flooded out the Hill Country merged with moisture from remnants of a tropical storm that hit Southern Mexico. It actually impacted our forecast too because we were forecast to be drier. We've had several weeks of high moisture in SE TX and everything drains this direction from the rest of the state. Rivers drain very slowly compared to bayous and creek. And since we were knee deep in a rainy season, we've had about 3-4 thunderstorms per week of recent with very heavy rains. The ground being presaturated across the watershed, plains being heavily made up of clay and not being able to take in more water likely would've hindered any ability for the rivers to be drained. Officials would've known the risks.

Several factors came together at once – in one of the worst possible locations – to create the “horrifying” scenario that dropped up to 16 inches of rainfall in the larger region over July 3-5, said Alan Gerard, a recently retired storm specialist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Hill Country, the region in Central and South Central Texas, also is known colloquially as “flash flood alley,” for its propensity for fast and furious flooding when extreme rain falls, Gerard, who is now CEO of weather consulting company Balanced Weather said. As bountiful moist air from the Gulf of America, renamed from the Gulf of Mexico, moves over the steep hills, it can dump heavy rains.

On July 4, rain was falling at 3-4 inches per hour, with some locations recording a deluge of up to 7 inches of rain in just three hours, the National Weather Service said. Seven inches of rain is nearly 122 million gallons of water per square mile. Over 7 square miles that’s enough water to fill the AT&T Stadium, home of the Dallas Cowboys.

S: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...s/84478070007/

10-12" of rain across 24hr is trivial for a well-developed tropical storm when it's well-formed and especially when it is slower moving. The worst near flood we ever had at our home was from an unnamed storm system (called Tax Day Flood now) and we had water about a couple of inches from entering our main home. We experienced extreme hourly rain rates (5"/hr) and flood maps become utterly meaningless at a point when there's no way rain can drain that quickly back into a system... that said, hourly rain rates can be very hard to predict (especially detailing exactly where) and that might've made forecasting very difficult.

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Pediatrician fired for vile post politicizing devastating Texas floods: May Trump supporters get ‘what they voted for’

That's a very unfortunate way to lose a Pediatrician and we need more of those. Some people lack simple common sense when it comes to their politics.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Woman says she’s not sad that little girls died in the deadly Texas floods
because of racism: “You reap what you sow”

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1942247700205838595

this is what the USA is up against

sickening

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Woman says she’s not sad that little girls died in the deadly Texas floods
because of racism: “You reap what you sow”

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1942247700205838595

this is what the USA is up against

sickening

Massively racist bigot calls other people racist bigots. Not sad that little girls died because they were white. I hope some Texan shoots her in the face. I will not be sad.

[arista]

Yesterday


[Active shooter killed in attempt to ambush
Border Patrol agents in Texas]


This will be a problem on Friday
When President Trump arrives


https://www.foxnews.com/us/active-sh...l-agents-texas

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Woman says she’s not sad that little girls died in the deadly Texas floods
because of racism: “You reap what you sow”

https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/1942247700205838595

this is what the USA is up against

sickening

wow she is lovely .... now that is the very definition of racism

[Maru]

Is this the same lady as this one?


Texas reverend breaks silence to disavow mayoral appointee girlfriend's sick Camp Mystic comments https://mol.im/a/14884095