[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That’s different from the certificate. And also not as complicated.

Certain countries (like USA, NZ, Australia, EU countries) just need an ESTA to visit (same as we need to visit them). Everyone else needs a standard visa.

The exception being if you are a dual citizen with the UK visiting the UK. You either need a valid British passport or the certificate.

Like my friends in NZ. They are British but hold dual nationality with NZ and travel on NZ passports. But they now can’t come here on their NZ passports with an ESTA, as they’re British. They either need a British passport or a certificate. Basically, it’s a way for the UK to make more money on those who chose to live away from the UK.

They can get a British passport for getting in the UK,

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They can get a British passport for getting in the UK,

I know. I said that.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

My friends back in NZ just had to spend loads on getting UK passports for them and their kids due to this (they are brits but the kids were born in NZ and they all had NZ passports only).

Isn't there the duel citizenship people can have? , didn't crab eyes from BB 11 UK have that
( John James ) ....he was Australian ,but had British citizenship due to his parents I think.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Isn't there the duel citizenship people can have? , didn't crab eyes from BB 11 UK have that
( John James ) ....he was Australian ,but had British citizenship due to his parents I think.

Yeah, but with the new changes, they must now have a British passport or the certificate when visiting here.

Beforehand they could come over on the other country’s passport (without the need for a British one).

An example here is;

* An Australian citizen living in Australia (no dual UK nationality) visiting the UK with an Australian passport needs an ESTA (same thing we need to visit there) - it’s an electronic visa which is around £16.

* An Australian with dual UK citizenship (but no British passport) was able to travel on an Australian passport with an ESTA. Now they’ll need to either get a British passport or get the certificate (the passport is cheaper) to enter the UK.

* It’s gets messier if a UK national say gave up their citizenship for another country (like in China where dual citizenship is not allowed). I believe then this wouldn’t apply to them and they’d need a normal visa (as they won’t have or be able to get a British passport unless they give up citizenship of China).

The main confusion regarding the certificate is who would actually need it (as none of the above would - I could be wrong with the China example case though, and they’d may be the ones who would need it, if dual citizenship is not allowed, meaning they can’t get a British passport).

It’s cheaper for British nationals who live outside of the UK to get a British passport. But this whole thing is to make more money from dual citizens, as it’s them who it affects.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yeah, but with the new changes, they must now have a British passport or the certificate when visiting here.

Beforehand they could come over on the other country’s passport (without the need for a British one).

An example here is;

* An Australian citizen living in Australia (no dual UK nationality) visiting the UK with an Australian passport needs an ESTA (same thing we need to visit there) - it’s an electronic visa which is around £16.

* An Australian with dual UK citizenship (but no British passport) was able to travel on an Australian passport with an ESTA. Now they’ll need to either get a British passport or get the certificate (the passport is cheaper) to enter the UK.

* It’s gets messier if a UK national say gave up their citizenship for another country (like in China where dual citizenship is not allowed). I believe then this wouldn’t apply to them and they’d need a normal visa (as they won’t have or be able to get a British passport unless they give up citizenship of China).

The main confusion regarding the certificate is who would actually need it (as none of the above would - I could be wrong with the China example case though, and they’d may be the ones who would need it, if dual citizenship is not allowed, meaning they can’t get a British passport).

It’s cheaper for British nationals who live outside of the UK to get a British passport. But this whole thing is to make more money from dual citizens, as it’s them who it affects.

Oh I see ...yeah it sounds confusing and messy now .

China has always been more strict regarding their government and regulations I think.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

That’s different from the certificate. And also not as complicated.

Certain countries (like USA, NZ, Australia, EU countries) just need an ESTA to visit (same as we need to visit them). Everyone else needs a standard visa.

The exception being if you are a dual citizen with the UK visiting the UK. You either need a valid British passport or the certificate.

Like my friends in NZ. They are British but hold dual nationality with NZ and travel on NZ passports. But they now can’t come here on their NZ passports with an ESTA, as they’re British. They either need a British passport or a certificate. Basically, it’s a way for the UK to make more money on those who chose to live away from the UK.

What a surprise the contempt they hold for their own is very evident, 600 pounds is just robbery