[Matt10k]

Sunny's example is a good one. I feel women are being discriminated against in this country and in this thread I have only seen one example of such. [/quote]

So in what way is this thread pointless? We have an example of discrimination. Perhaps next time you should just talk about what sunny wrote instead of trying to insult me by calling the thread pointless and other threads I have contributed to.

[Tom]

I think both sexes are discriminated against to a certain extent. But the main area in which women are discriminated against appears to be relationships. As already mentioned, a woman is a slut for sleeping with someone whilst in a relationship but a man isn't.

Something which came to light earlier on when I was watching the music channels (who said TV isn't educational ) was that its perfectly acceptable for a woman to dump a man through text message, but if its the other way around then the man isn't a real man, he has no balls etc.

And as someone else has also mentioned, a man groping a woman in a club is not acceptable, but its fine for a woman to do what is worse and get away with it. If a man was to feel a womans privates, they would be done for sexual harassment.

I don't have many views on discrimination of the sexes because men are discriminated against in certain areas, and likewise with women. Its just an awkward fact of life.

[Dr43%er]

Ok. I am a boss and I like to think I am fairly liberal. If I advertise a job it has to be open to all. If a woman of child bearing age came in it would play on my mind. We are a small business and I simply could not afford to have a member of staff off for the amount of time she would be legally be entitled too. I would not just be able to just replace them. The costs involved would make it hard. If 2 women had kids at the same time it cripple me. I am not proud of the way I am thinking. But I have to put me and my other staff first. When men and women get exactly the same paternity/maternity rights it will not longer be an issue.

Of course this opens a whole other can of worms. Why should it cost and affect me because you decide to have kids? I pay you to do a job and I expect you to do it. I have not had kids so I can concentrate on work, thus giving you a job. I could not that amount of time off so why can you? I did not force you to have kids.

God I feel right wing and dirty.

[Sunny_01]

No Dr it is nice to see it from an employers perspective. I dont think that the issue is you, I think the issue is there are no measures in place to protect employers who have staff off on maternity leave. There should be some kind of system that would not financially cripple you to allow you to employ the best person for the job rather than well he will do!

Talking about leave though my daughters partner was only allowed a week off on paternity leave and it was unpaid, they are a young couple just starting out and simply couldnt afford that so he had to take annual leave following the birth of my grandson.

I really felt that my employer gave the job to my male colleague because he was a man. He was in no way better qualified or more experienced, he is a poor communicator but he was a man willing to do the job. I think had I worn a neck sign saying my husband looks after childcare and I was steralised years ago I might have been in with a shout. I had always been good enough to take the lead and asked to act up when people were off but not given the job when push come to shove.

[Dr43%er]

Just for the record I have never had a woman apply for a job, so i have not broke the law yet.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
So in what way is this thread pointless? We have an example of discrimination. Perhaps next time you should just talk about what sunny wrote instead of trying to insult me by calling the thread pointless and other threads I have contributed to.

In terms of discussing the issue of discrimination in the UK and given the other thread then this thread comes up way short in doing the job of discussing the issue. After we discuss the issue of discrimination the workplace then there's not much more to discuss. Try opening a thread called 'Sex Discrimination in the UK' then you may have it.

[Matt10k]

You’re right and it kind of proves what I thought all along. Women and men are both discriminated against in the uk but today it seems, men are discriminated in more ways than women.

I was hoping there would be more responses but it seems most women don’t feel that discriminated anymore. By contrast, I see a lot of men frustrated by how they are treated, hence why the other threads have more good examples of men being discriminated.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Matt10k
men are discriminated in more ways than women.

I wouldn't say that was true. Neither thread has addressed things like sex trafficking of foreign women. I recently saw a documentary claiming it was still an issue among interpol. Men maybe discriminated against women in more ways but the discrimination of women can take a much more oppressive form.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
I wouldn't say that was true. Neither thread has addressed things like sex trafficking of foreign women. I recently saw a documentary claiming it was still an issue among interpol. Men maybe discriminated against women in more ways but the discrimination of women can take a much more oppressive form.

In that one example it can but these women are not from the uk and quite often the men trafficking them aren’t either. They are easily placed into these situations because the countries they are trafficked from are so corrupt or poor, so I feel this strays from the subject of discrimination of women in the uk. This to me is more closely related to oppression of women outside the uk.

Discrimination to me is how the law treats a man as opposed to a woman in the uk and the way men and women are viewed in the media. It was you that was being so fussy over the definition of discrimination. It is also my opinion that there are more good examples of discrimination in the other threads.

[GiRTh]

If the women are in the UK then the discrimination or opression or whatever is from the UK. This is much more serious than the fact that women get more maternity leave than men. This was my whole point to begin with, the discrimination of men in this country is scarcely a problem of the magnitude of sex trafficking or prostitution.

[Matt10k]

Originally posted by GiRTh
If the women are in the UK then the discrimination or opression or whatever is from the UK. This is much more serious than the fact that women get more maternity leave than men. This was my whole point to begin with, the discrimination of men in this country is scarcely a problem of the magnitude of sex trafficking or prostitution.

I don’t agree. I don’t think being in the uk is what causes these women to be oppressed. I think they are oppressed because they are forced into things due to the country they originally lived in being so poor or corrupt.

The fact they are trafficked into this country (often by immigrants themselves) does not show oppression from the uk. They are no doubt heavily oppressed to begin with in their own countries, if not more so.

[GiRTh]

Maybe, maybe not. But, it is happening in this country and is a nightmare for international law enforcement.