[Stu]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, Southern Ireland is independant. Why should it change for gods sake...

Because its originally Irish for christ sake! Your reasoning here baffels me. I would not mind if you were logical about it.

Theirs no political agenda behind your posts. To you , Wales , Scotland and Northern Ireland are what , dumb little trophys in englands decreasingly sparse trophy cabinet?

[KKBL]

^
honestly thats what i was thinking too.

[spitfire]

The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.Ireland wanted to be part of the Union, Then 100 years later the majority wanted out but a massive percentage,especially in the North wanted to remain part of the UK so a partition was put in place.
Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.

[Conor]

Originally posted by FictitiousHouse

Northern Ireland is part of Great Britain, Southern Ireland is independant. Why should it change for gods sake...Does it really matter. Im sure they are used to it by now. If they have been complaining for a 100 years, then whats wrong with another 100 years? at least Gerry Adams and co are doing something to aid the peace process God knows what like. 'Im sure they just tell us what they want us to know' . I was only using Great Britains ancient past of owning other countries as an example of how far we got and how little we are now. Even less now we are part of Europe.

Gerry Adams isn't aiding the peace proccess much at all, infact if anything, he may even be blcoking the path! For Gods sake, he used to be a terorist, they even dubbed his voice out on a news report at one point! It was Mo Mowlam that did literally everything to move NI on. Unfortunatly, she died a few years back and never got to finish the proccess. I mean the two highest memebers of Stomount (Paisly & McGuinnes) won't even sit properly beside each other.

As for it not mattering... maybe the 30 years of troubles, bombing, shootings and riots should answer that one

[spitfire]

Originally posted by MorpheusBecause its originally Irish for christ sake!

Northern Ireland is still Irish.(There is a clue in the name if you look hard enough)
Just as England,Scotland and Wales are English,Scotish and Welsh.All four make up the United Kingdom.

Originally posted by Morpheus To you , Wales , Scotland and Northern Ireland are what , dumb little trophys in englands decreasingly sparse trophy cabinet?

They're not trophies of England.England Dosen't own them.All four are part of a Union each with it's own identity.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by spitfire

Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.

"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong.

[Conor]

Originally posted by spitfire

They're not trophies of England. England Dosen't own them. All four are part of a Union each with it's own identity.

You'll find that Scotland is also having problems with being part of the UK. They have also been trying to gain independace and they have their own parliment.

If England didn't want to see them as trophy's it would probably have been on its own a long time ago, but they keep trying to clench onto what little they have.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by *Cathal*

"Ulster"?Donegal,Monaghan and Cavan arent in NI so your wrong.

Two thirds of ulster are and forever will be part of the Union.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Conor

You'll find that Scotland is also having problems with being part of the UK. They have also been trying to gain independace and they have their own parliment.

If England didn't want to see them as trophy's it would probably have been on its own a long time ago, but they keep trying to clench onto what little they have.

England dosnt own any country/nation.England dosnt even have a parliment!!

[molecular]

Originally posted by spitfire
The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.Ireland wanted to be part of the Union, Then 100 years later the majority wanted out but a massive percentage,especially in the North wanted to remain part of the UK so a partition was put in place.
Ulster is and forever will be part of our wee Union.

bullksiht spitfire. english invaded an tore ireland aprt, the partition act was passedd while the english were busy murdering irish people an it was best thing de valera and collins could manage from the situation when ireland an its pewople wanted to become a free cou try to rule itself. if english had ****edd off and stop killujng people there wouldnt be a problem but they were there so they had to reach compromise due to heroic backlash against oppression from the brit governemtn. ireland can be reunited someday.

[KKBL]

Originally posted by spitfire

Two thirds of ulster are and forever will be part of the Union.

but why do you have to say "forever" with that smug emotic.i hate to say but quotes like that is what formed the IRA(who killed many people)

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular

bullksiht spitfire. english invaded an tore ireland aprt, the partition act was passedd while the english were busy murdering irish people an it was best thing de valera and collins could manage from the situation when ireland an its pewople wanted to become a free cou try to rule itself. if english had ****edd off and stop killujng people there wouldnt be a problem but they were there so they had to reach compromise due to heroic backlash against oppression from the brit governemtn.

I won't even try to decipher that.

[molecular]

no yopu shouldnt bother cause youll get a nasty surprise mr propaganda bulls hit machine.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by *Cathal*

but why do you have to say "forever" with that smug emotic.i hate to say but quotes like that is what formed the IRA(who killed many people)

Because, In my opinion it will be forever.Sadly and personally i know the IRA murdered many people and im glad they have now realised the bomb and gun is not the way forward.Maybe if the IRA hadn't of reformed in'69 it may have been an all Ireland a long time ago but no Western Goverment will backdown to terrorism.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular
no yopu shouldnt bother cause youll get a nasty surprise mr propaganda bulls hit machine.

In English or Irish if you please.

[Conor]

Originally posted by spitfire

Because, In my opinion it will be forever.Sadly and personally i know the IRA murdered many people and Im glad they have now realised the bomb and gun is not the way forward.Maybe if the IRA hadn't of reformed in'69 it may have been an all Ireland a long time ago but no Western Goverment will backdown to terrorism.

Remind yourself who's fault it was the IRA reformed again...

All the troubles and secterianism ands contrevesy in Northern Ireland route right back to England

[spitfire]

How is it Englands fault?It was the N.Irish Unionists who were the sectarian ones.I'm not denying that the Catholics of N.I were made to be second class citizens what i was trying to say is if the IRA had fought a political battle and not a war then maybe there would of been an all Ireland back in the 70's but i just can't see it happening now.

[molecular]

Originally posted by spitfire

In English or Irish if you please.

ha...............................ha............... .....................ha

hey mate youre not the first to crack the ever hilarious joke that i make one or two typos when i type fast, but its usually the cowards who hide behiond this excuse when i pull them up for some of the stupid ignorant comments i read on here. youre right to not respond because your smug nationlist attitude doesnt really stand a chance against someone with a clue. coward

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular because your smug nationlist attitude

Nationalist?Thats the ones who want an all Ireland.I don't.

[Conor]

Originally posted by spitfire
How is it Englands fault?It was the N.Irish Unionists who were the sectarian ones.I'm not denying that the Catholics of N.I were made to be second class citizens what i was trying to say is if the IRA had fought a political battle and not a war then maybe there would of been an all Ireland back in the 70's but i just can't see it happening now.

Well, if England never bothered 'Conquring' (or rather snatching) NI, and left us as we are as one country, theres a massive chance that groups such as the IRA and other terrorist groups would never have formed.

And as some other members mentioned, England bullied, tortured and masacared their way into getting Northern Ireland on their ever shrinking empire.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Conor

Well, if England never bothered 'Conquring' (or rather snatching) NI, and left us as we are as one country, theres a massive chance that groups such as the IRA and other terrorist groups would never have formed.

And as some other members mentioned, England bullied, tortured and masacared their way into getting Northern Ireland on their ever shrinking empire.

It wasn't snatched or conquered it was agreed.

The all-island Kingdom of Ireland (1541—1800) merged into the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 under the terms of the Act of Union, under which the kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain merged under a government and monarchy based in London.
Northern Ireland wasn't even an issue back then.

[molecular]

Originally posted by spitfire

Nationalist?Thats the ones who want an all Ireland.I don't.

absolute rubbish. shock horror. theres nothing smug about a countries people wanting one governmnt by way to rule themselves.

smug is you gloating that the six divided counties will forever be part of your british union. goodnight.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular

absolute rubbish.

It's not rubbish!You called me a Nationalist,Nationalists want an all Ireland.I'm not and i don't.

Originally posted by molecular

shock horror. theres nothing smug about a countries people wanting one governmnt by way to rule themselves.

You need to make your mind up on whether being a nationalist is smug.You call me a smug nationalist but here you say people with Nationalist ideas are not smug.

[molecular]

smugs an adjective dickbrain it doesnt live on the beginning of words like nationlist. i was being subjective to your cause. now this time it is goodnight im gettin sick of this place.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by molecular
smugs an adjective dickbrain it doesnt live on the beginning of words like nationlist.

Originally posted by molecular youre right to not respond because your smug nationlist attitude

Goodnight.