[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Jack
It's too over the top, but then again so are the Italians.

Excuse me ?
Do you know any italian person to say something like this ?
Welcome to "Stereotypes" land !

[DamonJ]

On the meaning of the original topic, BB7 is the best house for me. And the best series.

[Captain.Remy]

BB6 Germany, BB5 UK, BB6 UK, BB6 AUS, BB5 USA and BB8 Italy.
All brilliant houses with great features and furnitures, they all got a special spirite and some great themes.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Excuse me ?
Do you know any italian person to say something like this ?
Welcome to "Stereotypes" land !

Oh ffs it's a joke. Welcome to "PC" land.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Jack

Oh ffs it's a joke. Welcome to "PC" land.

It's not about PC. I think you don't realize how much those little quotes can be hurting, that's why I did quote what you said.
A few days ago, I learnt that Mr Rude will be french, how do you think I did react ? And I still didn't accept it because it's unfair.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

It's not about PC. I think you don't realize how much those little quotes can be hurting, that's why I did quote what you said.
A few days ago, I learnt that Mr Rude will be french, how do you think I did react ? And I still didn't accept it because it's unfair.

Can you please justify how being labelled "over the top" is so derogatory and hurtful?

Yes it's a stereotype that the Italians are very emotional and theatrical but why is it necessarily a bad thing? It's more of an identity than a stereotype.

And it has everything to do with political corectness. In today's society you can barely utter an opinion on someone else without fear of being labelled "racist", "homophobic" or "sexist".

And lastly I would like to reiterate it was a joke.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Jack
Can you please justify how being labelled "over the top" is so derogatory and hurtful?

Yes it's a stereotype that the Italians are very emotional and theatrical but why is it necessarily a bad thing? It's more of an identity than a stereotype.

And it has everything to do with political corectness. In today's society you can barely utter an opinion on someone else without fear of being labelled "racist", "homophobic" or "sexist".

And lastly I would like to reiterate it was a joke.

You just said it, it's a stereotype. Maybe no one ever told you a stereotype or whatever about your nationality but when you hear that all the time because you are russian, italian and french and because your family did suffer about it when they have been in France then you can understand why and how I react.

And it's far from being political corectness, I'm strongly against that, and I never said you were a racist.
I think you definately can't understand how it can't be hurting, maybe your exemple is not the strongest one but everytime I read something like this, it drives me mad.

And it's definately not an opinion, as you said it's a stereotype, you will have to learn the difference.

So do you know any italian person ? Or you just have read that in the papers, internet or whatever ?

[Conor]

Originally posted by DamonJ
On the meaning of the original topic, BB7 is the best house for me. And the best series.

Don't you think when it was renovated for CBB5 it looked much more amazing. I loved the theme and everything. Close compeditor to BB6! During BB7 I think it was dull, and the only colours used were red, white, purple and blue.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

You just said it, it's a stereotype. Maybe no one ever told you a stereotype or whatever about your nationality but when you hear that all the time because you are russian, italian and french and because your family did suffer about it when they have been in France then you can understand why and how I react.

And it's far from being political corectness, I'm strongly against that, and I never said you were a racist.
I think you definately can't understand how it can't be hurting, maybe your exemple is not the strongest one but everytime I read something like this, it drives me mad.

And it's definately not an opinion, as you said it's a stereotype, you will have to learn the difference.

So do you know any italian person ? Or you just have read that in the papers, internet or whatever ?

Again I don't think you justified how my original comment can be deemed hurtful. Can you justify it? In another thread you said "English people make me cringe". Can you explain how this sweeping comment is any different? I don't think stereotypes are a bad thing at all. Where would we be with out stereotypes? Does that mean you cannot have an opinion on something or someone you have never met? People make assumptions and stereotypes everyday, knowingly or not, as I'm sure you have.

And the fact that most Italians are emotional is a very profound stereotype and is not negative or insulting in any way. And I don't know any italians personally but I don't base my opinions solely on what the papers/internet have to say. I form my opinions from famous italians, italians I see on the television, in films, on the street etc. I've also been to Rome twice.

And it is to do with political correctness. 30 odd years ago such a comment would have never been picked upon yet today, the sensitive, self righteous PC brigade of our generation would be on your back in no time.

[Captain.Remy]

Because it's untrue and not all the italians are like this. It sounds like they open their mouth all the time or they show off, I know those stereotypes. I recognise some are but the whole Italy is not like this.
For my comment, I never said "we know all english people are....", I meant that most people I know and who are English (then a lot) make me cringe. It's definately not a stereotype because I know some are annoying like everywhere else.

And Italians are emotional like anybody else, it's full of rubbish, some got strong chracters, maybe too strong, some show off, some are like this etc....
I'm not saying this is your fault because everything on medias tend to give stereotypes but it's hardly untrue.

So, I have never been in USA right but I'm not going to say "American people are all fat" because I have read some statistics on a paper, as I said, it's hardly your fault, some people accept the stereotypes, some think about it and tend to make the diference.

Edit: This is off-topic and I'm sure a mod is going to remind us.

[*mazedsalv**]

It wasn't really offensive,I just wanted to know what you meant by the quote.
He probably means over the top referring to Emilia and Victor and them having no emotins(which they do).

But lets just forget about it, it wasn't hurtful to me but Im just saying it could of offended someone else, even though Im Italian.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : *mazedsalv**
It wasn't really offensive,I just wanted to know what you meant by the quote.
He probably means over the top referring to Emilia and Victor and them having no emotins(which they do).

But lets just forget about it, it wasn't hurtful to me but Im just saying it could of offended someone else, even though Im Italian.

Are you ? My mother is italian and during her childood in France she was really hurted by this, they called her "big mamma" etc..., so that can explain how today I can't accept that kind of 'jokes' (sorry I can't see how it was one).

[*mazedsalv**]

Well Im full Sicilian.My mum and dad were both born there.My mum came to the UK 2 days before I was born so I was born here and Ive got a Italian Passport and everything.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : *mazedsalv**
Well Im full Sicilian.My mum and dad were both born there.My mum came to the UK 2 days before I was born so I was born here and Ive got a Italian Passport and everything.

I love Sicily, it's so awesome, my mother is from Roma, such an amazing place, I spend most of holidays there.

[Jack]

Well you actually said "English people make me cringe". Which is a sweeping statement because you said "English people". This implies everyone from England makes you cringe, so you are being very hypocritical. And a lot of Italians are emotional and passionate so it is true, you only have to look at their culture to see this. Yes it doesn't apply to everyone (far from it) but stereotypes never do (I hate using the word "stereotypes" because people always see it as a bad thing). If you asked someone random in the street to impersonate an Italian they will most probably use very large hand gestures and speak very theatrical and loud. Yes it's a stereotype, but it's an accepted one. If you asked someone from America to impersonate someone British they would most like put on a posh accent and pretend they're drinking tea, I don't know.

I don't want to discuss this anymore because you are begining to sound like a preacher so let's just drop it.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Jack
I don't want to discuss this anymore because you are begining to sound like a preacher so let's just drop it.

Oh yes because now I am the one who's narrow-minded, fine.
And as I said before, it's off-topic.

[zeta794]

BBCH IZ THE BEST EVER.

[Jack]

Originally posted by Captain.Remy

Oh yes because now I am the one who's narrow-minded, fine.
And as I said before, it's off-topic.

Are you implying I was being narrow minded? I hope not.

Let's just say I was being insensitive posting that, and you were being over-sensitive reacting that way. I don't want to argue.

[*mazedsalv**]

I agree with Zeta

BBCH!!!!

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Jack

Are you implying I was being narrow minded? I hope not.

Let's just say I was being insensitive posting that, and you were being over-sensitive reacting that way. I don't want to argue.

No I didn't say you were narrow-minded or racist. I don't want to argue too.

[Conor]

Originally posted by *mazedsalv**
I agree with Zeta

BBCH!!!!

BB:CH UK Have you saw much Big Brother before lol

[*mazedsalv**]

Yepp every series apart for BB1.

My list for my fave 5 go like this:
BB5
BB3
BBCH
CBB4
BB7