[Ruth]

All from Bill Hicks....

"Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I ****, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?"

"I have never seen two people on pot get in a fight because it is ****ing IMPOSSIBLE. "Hey, buddy!" "Hey, what?" "Ummmmmmm...." End of argument."

"If you don't believe drugs have done good things for us, then go home and burn all your records, all your tapes, and all your CDs because every one of those artists who have made brilliant music and enhanced your lives? RrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrEAL ****ing high on drugs. The Beatles were so ****ing high they let Ringo sing a few songs."

I don't do hard drugs - never have, never will. I don't smoke anymore, and I rarely drink. But as far as I'm concerned, people should be able to put what they want into their bodies - the key is that they should know the potential consequences.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Dannyboi
OMG i hate it when you see chavs standing on street corners smoking weed its like go get a job or go learn something.

Not all people who smoke are chavs.

I smoked it for year and still managed to get up every morning and work

[Mrluvaluva]

I have smoked cannabis and I have even done coke. I would never dream of taking heroin though or even doing E. That's my personal choice. I would not stand on a street corner though smoking it though. I also would not put anything into my body that I thought could harm me.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
I have smoked cannabis and I have even done coke. I would never dream of taking heroin though or even doing E. That's my personal choice. I would not stand on a street corner though smoking it though. I also would not put anything into my body that I thought could harm me.

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

It was taken in a small amount and I only did it once. If I thought something could kill me then I would not do it. It did nothing for me anyway.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

It was taken in a small amount and I only did it once. If I thought something could kill me then I would not do it. It did nothing for me anyway.

Its not a bad thing that you tried it and you don't have to justify it; most people probably will have tried something by the time they are 20.

[Mrluvaluva]

What drugs do to you

Almost half of 16 to 24-year-olds living in England and Wales have tried illegal drugs. But the five most commonly taken substances all pose serious dangers.

For the people who take them, illegal drugs can be a serious problem. They're responsible for between 1,300 and 1,400 deaths a year in Britain. But that's not the end of the damage that drugs do. They also wreck thousands of relationships, families, and careers.

According to the 2006/07 British Crime Survey, the five most commonly used drugs in Britain are:

1. Cannabis
The survey found that 8.2% of 16 to 59-year-olds reported using cannabis in the last year. There's evidence of a link between cannabis and mental health problems, such as schizophrenia. Research has shown that smoking cannabis joints is even more damaging to lungs than smoking cigarettes. Long-term use can cause lung disease and cancer. Cannabis use can also cause lack of motivation and paranoia.

2. Cocaine
This is the second most commonly used drug, with 2.6% of respondents admitting to having taken cocaine in 2006/07. Cocaine is highly addictive. People who are young and healthy can have a fit or heart attack after taking too much coke. It can also cause panic attacks.

3. Ecstasy
The study revealed that 1.8% of 16 to 59-year-olds had taken ecstasy in the last year, although its use is decreasing. Ecstasy can cause panic attacks or psychotic states. There have been over 200 ecstasy-related deaths in the UK since 1996 and ecstasy has been linked to liver, kidney and heart problems.

4. Hallucinogens
The report found that 1.5% of participants had used hallucinogens (including LSD and magic mushrooms), which are Class A drugs. Even possession can get you up to seven years in jail. The side-effects, which are random and occasionally very frightening, may include flashbacks.

5. Amphetamines
Amphetamine use was recorded among 1.3% of 16 to 59-year-olds. The number of people dealt with for offences involving amphetamines, also known as ‘speed’, has dropped dramatically in the past five years. Amphetamines are very addictive and the comedown can make you feel lousy and depressed. They put a strain on your heart and users have died from overdosing.


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[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva I would not stand on a street corner though smoking it though.

I've only smoked in public once, and that was at the Ashton Court Festival in Bristol. Its was the weirdest feeling because everyone was smoking it around us too and there was tons of police about but it was so relaxed that they didnt give a damn

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Tom_

Its not a bad thing that you tried it and you don't have to justify it; most people probably will have tried something by the time they are 20.

I am not justifying it, I am just making a clearer picture. The reason I would not try ecstasy is the fact that it I have read stories of people dying after taking it. There are some statistics ^^^^^

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Tom_

Coke is a lot more harmful and addictive than E's are ... but E's can cause more embarrassment.

I dont believe they are, they are both addictive but in different ways.

Coke is physically and mentally addictive, your body craves it,

E's on the other hand is mentally addictive. You use it and then you get addicted the to buzz, in a club for example, if you have used pills then you know that once you hear the beat in a club, your mind takes over and you crave the rush, the loved up feeling and the warmth and happiness that you get when you've done a pill.

Its hard to go clubbing without pills once you have done them

[Tom]

Those statistics are incredibly biased and I can tell that by just reading the first point on cannabis. They fail to outline advantages such as its medical use and the ability to make sufferers of arthritis or angina (I can't remember which one) feel more comfortable.

[Mrluvaluva]

Arthritis, MS etc. A lot of cannabis users actually roll it with tobacco which actually does make it more harmful than smoking it alone.

[Tom]

Originally posted by ~kizwiz~

I dont believe they are, they are both addictive but in different ways.

Coke is physically and mentally addictive, your body craves it,

E's on the other hand is mentally addictive. You use it and then you get addicted the to buzz, in a club for example, if you have used pills then you know that once you hear the beat in a club, your mind takes over and you crave the rush, the loved up feeling and the warmth and happiness that you get when you've done a pill.

Its hard to go clubbing without pills once you have done them

But there is evidence to suggest people are less dependent on E's than people are on coke but I'm not denying that both are addictive.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Dannyboi
OMG i hate it when you see chavs standing on street corners smoking weed its like go get a job or go learn something.

The smokers are not only chavs: politicians and buisnessmen also smoke weed and stuff. And they even take Cocaine.

[Dr43%er]

It bugs me when people say smoking pot leads to taking harder drugs. This can happen but I think this is because you buy from a dealer, so you can come in contact with harder stuff. If you were to buy your pot from a shop then you would not be offered anything else.

Myself, I started on LSD. I stopped after I had a bad trip and started having flash backs.

I then tried coke once. It was so good I have never touched it again. I could see myself getting in trouble with it.

I then moved to speed. I was mentally addicted to it. I could not go clubbing without it. I was going 60 hours plus without sleep every weekend for a few years. I had to stop as my body could not take it. So I stopped clubbing for a while.

I now very rarely have a spliff. To give you an idea how rarely, I have not had a smoke since Reading festival last summer.

Drink is my drug of choice.

[Glenn.]

The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

[Tom]

Originally posted by GlennDines123
The only drugs I have ever had in my life was a pull on a joint, it was so **** I didnt bother again. What makes me laugh is that a drug addict claims they need the drug its just pathetic. Pull yourself together and get a job!

You see, thats one of the stereotypes. Many drug takers actually have quite good jobs and their careers are ruined because of it.

[Stu]

For the record on the chav thing , most of them dont smoke weed in the first place. What they smoke it more glass fibre than grass. Absoloute rubbish. Gritweed can cause serious , serious damage , and its production is a direct concequence of weed still being illegal. Legalise weed and it becomes safer over night.

As for other drugs , I have never touched speed , coke , or heroin. I can envision myself falling in to trying them at least once , save for heroin. Thats just an absoloute no-no.

Hallucinogens are a tricky one. How do you legalise something like acid? Your experience entirely depends on you. Its extremely tricky , but a controlled environment is a nessecity. Much of the current populaiton is almost too idiotic to be trusted with a psychedellic.

E's are also tricky. I never found them addictive. In fact , I found them boring after awhile. But surely their are ways to produce them safely as a harmless party pill. Not the rat poison currently ingested as a direct result of them being against the law. For the record , most legal high pills that mimic the effects of ecstacy , and are completely legal , are far , far more dangerous than the real thing.

[Legend]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva

Whatever drugs you use, they all come from dealers, and you will always have dealers while drugs are illegal. The only way you can get the numbers down, is to legalise drugs, and I don't think that is a good idea at all.

I know, that's why I said I contradict myself. Of course all drugs come from a dealer somewhere down the line, but I was refering to the ones who intentionally get people hooked on them. But then obviously drug dealers don't care who gets hooked if it's making them money, so it's a hard thing to debate. But at the same time, I don't see why people should be arrested and potentially sent to prison for taking drugs, it's a personal decision.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Legend

I know, that's why I said I contradict myself. Of course all drugs come from a dealer somewhere down the line, but I was refering to the ones who intentionally get people hooked on them. But then obviously drug dealers don't care who gets hooked if it's making them money, so it's a hard thing to debate. But at the same time, I don't see why people should be arrested and potentially sent to prison for taking drugs, it's a personal decision.

There are no easy answers to this one. I am actually for the legalisation of cannabis. It is less harmful and addictive than tobacco or alcohol. It can ease pain in ME sufferers etc. You cannot overdose on it. It does not necessarily lead on to harder drugs. If it did become legal though, it would be taxed and the price would most probably rocket.

I actually read an article in The Metro the other week where it said that a line of coke was now actually cheaper than a pint of beer.

[GiRTh]

I think the UK drug laws are OK except for the alcohol and tobacco. I find it strange that the two most lethal drugs are legal and will always be legal.

I've done most drugs except for the very hard stuff. I understand why such drugs are illegal. What I dont understand is why the sentences are so harsh.

[Harry!]

Drugs are a bad thing.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Posted
Drugs are a bad thing.

Even the drugs that save lives?

[Harry!]

Originally posted by GiRTh

Even the drugs that save lives?

Drugs like Cocaine are bad not medicine.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Posted

Drugs like Cocaine are bad not medicine.

It's all drugs.